Bull Durham (1988)
Alec, Mattson and JJ center on the film "Bull Durham," a notable work within the realm of sports cinema featuring Kevin Costner. Throughout our discourse, we collectively express our dissatisfaction with the film, emphasizing its perceived lack of coherence and depth. As we delve into various aspects of the narrative, we critique the film's reliance on romantic entanglements rather than a substantive exploration of baseball itself. The dialogue reveals a general consensus that the comedic elements fall flat, failing to elicit the intended humor. Ultimately, we invite our audience to engage with our reflections and share their perspectives on this polarizing classic, questioning its esteemed status among baseball films.
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Speaker B:Or I won't go there.
Speaker B:But yeah, and you know, if I won't go there, it's really bad.
Speaker B:It's more that I just couldn't find a way to say it that may not make me feel like sound like an more than I already do.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker B:We are in week four of our Kevin Costner sports film marathon for the month of March.
Speaker B:Week four, we're jumping into an interesting one.
Speaker B:We're back in baseball for Kevin Costner sports movies.
Speaker B:So let's do this.
Speaker B:It's Bull Durham.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:It was written and directed by Ron Shelton.
Speaker B:Stars Kevin Costner, Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins, Trey Wilson, Robert Wool, William O'Leary, David Niedorf, Danny Gans and Robert Dickman.
Speaker B:It is about a fan who has an affair with one minor league baseball player.
Speaker B:Each season meets up an up and coming pitcher and the experienced catcher assigned to him.
Speaker B:That's a terrible synopsis.
Speaker B:I mean, all of those things are true, but it doesn't really describe the movie very well.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:All right, Alec, this turd was yours, right?
Speaker A:Yes, sir, it was.
Speaker B:All right, well, let's hear why you picked it.
Speaker A:Well, here's the problem that I'm having, right?
Speaker A:So I'm coming to an uncomfortable realization about Kevin Costner sports movies.
Speaker A:And it's that I don't actually like Kevin Costner sports movies.
Speaker A:I like the supporting cast in Kevin Costner.
Speaker A:Support the sport movies because 100% this came on list because it's Tim Robbins.
Speaker A:Because it's, it's shocking to me that Tim Robbins can go from, you know, playing this dude and then just a few years later, he's a Shawshank.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think he's like five years later, he's playing Shashi.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:The Jump from that is crazy.
Speaker A:The range that he has and then the entire story.
Speaker A:I could actually care less if Kevin Costner's in it, and I just want more.
Speaker A:What's his bucket, Ebby?
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Abby throwing wild.
Speaker A:Like, more montage of that.
Speaker A:Because it cracks me up because you have this, you know, which is a pretty common theme, right.
Speaker A:If you were able to throw 95 plus, like, the thing that's gonna be an issue for you is making sure you get it to go where you want it to go.
Speaker A:And even though they play into it and make it really just terrible control, like, not even close to being accurate, I'm cracking up the entire time because they're reading off the stats.
Speaker A:You know, hit the bull four times this game or all this stuff.
Speaker A:So I'm cracking up at the.
Speaker A:The ridiculousness of that.
Speaker A:And honestly, I could actually do without Kevin Costner in the movie at all.
Speaker A:But I picked it because it's a.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:It's almost the antithesis of Field of Dreams.
Speaker A:Antithesis.
Speaker A:Antithesis of Field of Dreams.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker A:And I want to torture you guys a little bit.
Speaker A:Why not?
Speaker B:Yeah, you know, Bull Durham.
Speaker B:Some movie I want to like.
Speaker B:But every time I watch it, I remember why I don't like it.
Speaker B:Yeah, I guess I can.
Speaker B:I can really leave it at that.
Speaker B:Like, at everything that you just said, while wildly true for yourself, Like, I just don't.
Speaker B:I find this movie, and this is funny, having come off of, you know, earlier recording Tin cup, which also is very ridiculous from the perspective of when you're thinking about a sports movie and things like that.
Speaker B:Like, this one is so ridiculous to me.
Speaker B:Like, I can't even get behind.
Speaker B:Like, I don't.
Speaker B:There's rarely movies that I come away with that are especially comedies, because I give a lot of leeway to comedies about, like, you can be ridiculous and still be funny, which makes the movie entertaining, which means that I probably will like it on some level.
Speaker B:I don't find this movie entertaining.
Speaker B:I barely find it funny.
Speaker B:And I don't understand the point.
Speaker B:And I realize it's because there isn't one, really.
Speaker B:But most comedies, I can go, okay, I.
Speaker B:I'll give you some leeway around not having a point.
Speaker B:This one I can't.
Speaker B:Like, I just.
Speaker B:I want to.
Speaker B:By the time I'm done, I feel, like, so unsatisfied.
Speaker B:Like, it's just, like, I hate it.
Speaker B:I hate it.
Speaker B:Not a big fan of this movie, so thanks for that, buddy.
Speaker A:You're welcome.
Speaker B:And this is Even, like, the one Kevin Costner sports movie that Casey doesn't like.
Speaker B:Like, she was like, alec, it was great.
Speaker B:Matt, what about you, buddy?
Speaker C:Yeah, like, Bull Durham.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:This is another.
Speaker C:It's funny, some of these older sports movies, like, this movie was on tv, like, I would say a decent amount growing up.
Speaker C:So I'd never.
Speaker C:I don't think I'd seen this movie all the way through, but I definitely seen pieces of this movie.
Speaker C:But having to watch it end to end, I don't.
Speaker C:I don't know why so many people like, like this movie.
Speaker C:They come back to this movie.
Speaker C:As far as baseball movies go, this is, like, my least favorite baseball movie.
Speaker C:Like, I.
Speaker C:I think you just said it best, Jay.
Speaker C:I was trying to search for, like, why I don't like this movie.
Speaker C:Like, when I think about what this movie was, like, what was the point?
Speaker C:Like, what did I take away from it was.
Speaker C:Is it.
Speaker C:I played baseball for a long time, and I finally settled down and left the game.
Speaker C:And his girlfriend is done finding a new boyfriend every season for the past, like, 25 seasons.
Speaker C:Like, okay, I just don't, like, if that's what I'm taking away from it.
Speaker C:Like, did I need to watch it?
Speaker C:And I didn't really care for, like, the antics of the young pitcher and, like, when they went on, like, their kind of montage or they were winning games.
Speaker C:Don't end the streak and all that.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:Like, it just didn't.
Speaker C:If it was supposed to be more about baseball and, like, wanting me to, like, the action didn't have enough of that.
Speaker C:Like, the Rookie or, like, Moneyball or some other baseball movie I should be able to name.
Speaker C:But if it was more about the story and the character progression and, like, baseball as a backdrop, which this movie, it probably was.
Speaker C:I just didn't resonate with what was on screen.
Speaker C:And the pace of it just.
Speaker C:It just kept kind of like, man, like.
Speaker C:Like, I just was like, all right, we get it.
Speaker C:Is something more exciting gonna happen?
Speaker C:You're always waiting for something more.
Speaker C:It never really happened.
Speaker C:I'm like, oh, this is it.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:Like, okay.
Speaker C:Like, at least it was.
Speaker C:It was, like, true to form.
Speaker C:Like, he didn't have some.
Speaker C:Like, oh, he's an old.
Speaker C:Like, the Rookie, for instance, where it's cheesy.
Speaker C:Where he's like, but cheesy.
Speaker C:And it was true.
Speaker C:So it's like, like, so I can't.
Speaker C:I can't.
Speaker C:Like, in fact, I should redact that statement.
Speaker C:It did happen.
Speaker C:So, like, at least it wasn't Hollywood eyes where this old catcher was good, but he got hot.
Speaker C:He went to the majors for another short stint.
Speaker C:At least they didn't do that.
Speaker C:They stayed true to form the show.
Speaker C:The game is hard.
Speaker C:Like you're slogging through it.
Speaker C:Like you can appreciate it for that.
Speaker C:But like, there's just other baseball movies that do all of that better.
Speaker C:And the story behind it I think is more compelling in other movies.
Speaker C:I just don't get what the whole it factor is with this movie.
Speaker B:Yeah, I've never understood the infatuation with this movie.
Speaker B:Like, there's a lot of people that say it's one of the best baseball movies ever made.
Speaker B:And I'm like, you fell in it?
Speaker B:Because no, this movie sucks.
Speaker B:It's not even about baseball.
Speaker B:Like, it's just, it's about.
Speaker B:And I will say the one line that gets me, and I'm trying to remember exactly how she says it, but it's something about the world was made for people that have no self awareness.
Speaker B:And I'm like, that's a great line.
Speaker B:And it's so true because most people that love all of our listeners, but most people that live in this world are kind of dumb and have very little self awareness, myself included.
Speaker B:So I love that line, but it's not about baseball.
Speaker B:I don't even know what the it's about.
Speaker B:Like that.
Speaker B:I think that's the problem.
Speaker B:Is this about baseball groupies?
Speaker B:Is it about minor league baseball players?
Speaker B:Is.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I have no idea.
Speaker B:And so I can't follow anything.
Speaker B:Like there's no through line for me to get attached to and enjoy.
Speaker B:And so I just have like, I just find myself going, what the am I watching?
Speaker B:More often than I find myself laughing, which is a problem.
Speaker B:Like this is a movie I should be giggling at.
Speaker B:And like the only thing that makes me laugh is when I think the, the hardest I laugh is in the game where he's doing exactly what the character she tells him.
Speaker B:You have to do exactly what he says to do.
Speaker B:And so he's going through.
Speaker B:And he's telling him to do dumbass, right?
Speaker B:And then he's like, throw it at the bull.
Speaker B:He's like, what?
Speaker B:And I love that part.
Speaker B:Like when he actually throws it in the bowl.
Speaker B:Well, like that's the only part that really, really gets me is that.
Speaker B:And I do laugh at some of the scenes that you're talking about, Alec, where like they read off stats that are like so fucking ridiculous.
Speaker B:But it's baseball.
Speaker B:So you know they're keeping track of stupid shit like that.
Speaker B:So I don't know.
Speaker B:But yeah, like, for the most part, I was like, God damn it, Alec.
Speaker A:I think they should have leaned more into the fact that Crash Davis is this, you know, like this ultimate catcher, right?
Speaker A:The general, the person who's calling everything.
Speaker A:Because you have two great moments and they're the same moment where throws down a pitch, gets shook off, and then he just tells the batter what's coming.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And like it's the ultimate around and find out.
Speaker B:True.
Speaker A:And so it comes down and it showcases that Crash knows what he's talking about.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because if you listen to what he's saying, you know, guys putting up great numbers and it's eventually what gets him into the majors is by, you know, he doesn't know how to call his own game.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:He's got to rely on his catcher and he's got a great one in Crash.
Speaker A:And I wish they would have leaned into that a little bit more because then you could get into, you know, the strategic or the mind game that is baseball.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:You know, hey, this guy, this guy got pegged real bad.
Speaker A: now, pull John crook from the: Speaker A:Because they have a couple moments in there where it's like, hey, you told him a deuce.
Speaker A:Was.
Speaker A:You told my story on the deuce, right?
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Like, you just knew it after the second one.
Speaker A:And so that's the stuff that gets me.
Speaker A:Because he knew, he knew he fucked up as soon as he threw the pitch.
Speaker A:There goes his, you know, two hit shutout or whatever it was.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:All because Crash Davis has a huge ego, but he's right when he's doing it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This guy's pitching a two.
Speaker B:No, do it shut out.
Speaker B:And he doesn't want to listen to me.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:So he just tells him, hey, this is what's coming.
Speaker B:Yeah, get ready for the heat.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Or gets himself beat up in a bar to show what they got to protect your pitch in hand.
Speaker C:And all this stuff, I'm like, dude, these, these life lessons, man, these are a hard way to learn them.
Speaker B:It's true.
Speaker B:I do love.
Speaker B:I do not Love.
Speaker B:But I appreciate the payoff too at the end where they're doing the interview with him now that he's in the bigs and he says the exact.
Speaker B:That Crash told him to say during the interviews.
Speaker B:Like, I do appreciate that the life lessons were learned.
Speaker B:No matter how moronic this kid is.
Speaker B:Like, he picked up those life lessons.
Speaker B:And I will say that I did chuckle too.
Speaker B:Like, when he like goes celibate because he's winning.
Speaker B:And like Crash, like, irked is like, he teased his way into that.
Speaker B:Like, I did find that.
Speaker B:I was like, that's clever.
Speaker B:He knows, you know he's gonna listen to you, so you keep him from sleeping with the girl that you want to sleep with.
Speaker B:But like, I.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I guess here's another problem and this one's all me.
Speaker B:And it's unfair.
Speaker B:But I'm.
Speaker B:I've also never found Susan Sarandon that attractive.
Speaker B:So like all the hub hubbub about.
Speaker C:I'm with you with that.
Speaker C:Yeah, I'm with you there.
Speaker B:I was like, the wrong actress was this, like, if you're gonna do this, like, this has got to be.
Speaker B:And I look, Susan Strandon's attractive just in a different way.
Speaker B:She's an on.
Speaker B:What's the word I'm looking for?
Speaker B:An abnormal attractive.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:She's not that normal.
Speaker B:Whatever you want to call it.
Speaker B:Not saying she's an ugly woman.
Speaker B:She's just not your typical.
Speaker B:And it's funny because the little blonde sidekick that she has is more what I would have pictured as like, needed to be this.
Speaker B:This holy grail of fans that's sleeping with the baseball players.
Speaker B:And that's another storyline that actually ruins this movie for me because it takes out a really funny character.
Speaker B:That girl, the blonde girl makes me laugh.
Speaker B:Like some of her and like how she's throwing herself at these ball players and enjoy.
Speaker B:Like, I like that.
Speaker B:And it made me laug.
Speaker B:So when she ends up with the Bible thumper and they take her out of that, I'm like, God damn it.
Speaker B:Now it's not funny.
Speaker B:Like she.
Speaker B:So they.
Speaker B:You lose a funny character for the last 20, 30 minutes of the movie or whatever it is that once she meets him.
Speaker B:And I was just like, God damn it.
Speaker B:So I just think there was some bad casting choices, probably including Kevin Costner.
Speaker B:I don't know that Kevin Costner was the right.
Speaker B:I just don't know that this movie was written to be entertaining, at least not for me.
Speaker B:Like, I just find it confusing.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:There's not even A lot of quotable things.
Speaker B:Like, I can forgive Tink up a lot because I can quote that movie all day long.
Speaker B:This one, I'm like, there's not much that.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That's really funny.
Speaker C:I said a hard day.
Speaker C:If you're trying to make it a true to form baseball, you're telling me that this pitcher who could throw fast but has no control and is like wildly out of control, gets called up in the majors after he goes like, on a winning streak.
Speaker C:I'm like, I don't know, I just didn't.
Speaker C:It seems so far fetched to me.
Speaker C:Just didn't and he didn't.
Speaker C:Never had the Persona being Sona's like, are they really gonna call this guy up to the big leagues?
Speaker C:Like, he's ready to go to the big.
Speaker C:It never even felt like that was a possibility.
Speaker A:Yeah, I didn't have too much a problem with that because I grew up watching Randy Johnson and he is almost the same type of picture, minus all the, you know, crazy.
Speaker A:Like the control and everything.
Speaker A:Like, they called him up and he couldn't hit the backstop.
Speaker B:Nobody never threw one into the press box either.
Speaker B:Like, I mean, well, that's the thing between hitting the dirt a lot, which Randy Johnson did early on in his career, and then like throwing one to West Texas from Carolina, you know what I mean?
Speaker B:Like, that.
Speaker C:I think they could have just like, they did it for the movie's sake.
Speaker C:But it's like, all right, like, dial it back a little bit.
Speaker C:Like, make it a little bit more believable.
Speaker C:Like, come on.
Speaker C:It.
Speaker C:It just.
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker C:It was a little bit much there.
Speaker C:Like, again, there's a lot in this movie that they were trying to show.
Speaker C:Like, there's a loo kid.
Speaker C:That one.
Speaker C:He also looked too old for what they were portraying.
Speaker C:Like, I think that got me too, where it's just the, the age dynamics.
Speaker C:I was like, if they're trying to make this guy seem really young, like, he doesn't look young enough to be the way he's acting.
Speaker C:Like that also tripped me up at times of like, what the.
Speaker C:What's the actor's name?
Speaker C:I should know his name.
Speaker A:Tim Robbins.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So you talking about Nuke?
Speaker B:Because that's Tim Robbins.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Like, he just looked too old to be like the young guy.
Speaker C:And it threw me off sometimes.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:Like some of the other people they were playing with, they looked far younger, but I know some baseball people can be a lot older, but it just.
Speaker C:That threw me for a loop a little bit because I Liked a lot of the interactions between Nuke and Crash.
Speaker C:Especially, like, as we talked about, like, new calling the shots on the mound and them like, figuring it out.
Speaker C:And like, they did a good job with that.
Speaker C:But the things outside of it, I didn't quite care about.
Speaker C:Nukes, like, love story.
Speaker C:Not love story and Crash, like figuring out at the end.
Speaker C:Like, it.
Speaker C:I don't know, it just didn't land for me.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And that's what a lot of this movie's about.
Speaker C:So if I didn't like that, then, like, what am I watching?
Speaker B:Yeah, it's a good point.
Speaker B:Like that is.
Speaker B:I don't enjoy the.
Speaker B:The main aspect of this story.
Speaker B:Like, I could have done without, to your point, as I could have done without Susan Sarandon's character altogether.
Speaker B:Like, I didn't need that.
Speaker B:The dynamic of these players is what I really.
Speaker B:The only part that I wanted to really enjoy.
Speaker B:Like, I just don't care about this whole love story.
Speaker B:Slash, her sleeping with a player and they becoming awesome because of it.
Speaker B:I'm like, sex is cool, but it's never made anybody better at baseball.
Speaker B:I hate to break it to you.
Speaker B:It just didn't happen.
Speaker B:And Matt, you're not wrong.
Speaker B:The 80s were tough like we have.
Speaker B:There's been a dynamic shift where now you can have like 30 year olds playing 18 year olds.
Speaker B:Back in the day, you had 20 year olds that were playing 20 year olds, but they look like they were 35.
Speaker B:So about the 70s and 80s, they made them different.
Speaker B:Back then it might have been all the cigarettes, but yeah, they.
Speaker B:It was different.
Speaker B:They did have a problem.
Speaker B:Now we're like, that person's 30 and they're playing an 18 year old, but they look okay at it most of the time.
Speaker B:Now it's different.
Speaker B:But back then, yeah, he looked old as.
Speaker B:Doesn't help that Tim Robbins is like 8ft tall too.
Speaker B:Like, makes him look humongous.
Speaker C:Yeah, I think the height also had.
Speaker C:So he just.
Speaker C:It just didn't.
Speaker C:It didn't work.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was weird.
Speaker B:Very Randy.
Speaker B:I would have been funny.
Speaker B:Obviously this is before Randy Johnson's time, but, like, having him hit a bird would have been hilarious.
Speaker B:Poor Randy Johnson.
Speaker B:That him up for like a long time after he killed that bird.
Speaker C:To me, this movie is, I think, ripe for like a remake.
Speaker C:I think you could put in like a baseball star or two that has enough acting chops and make them the Nuke and then have like a really good actor be Crash and then like, you're talking about Jay, like, make I Don't pick.
Speaker C:I'm with you on the season thing.
Speaker C:Like, pick something that's more like generic hotness or something.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker C:I'm with you on that.
Speaker C:I think you could remake this and make it focus even more on the humor aspect of it.
Speaker C:I think it could be pretty funny.
Speaker B:Oh, I agree.
Speaker B:I think if you, if you tone down some of the ridiculousness and then, yeah, get the right people in it, I think you could remake this and have it be good.
Speaker B:You'd have a fit for all the people that think this movie's great.
Speaker C:Just let him die first and then remake it.
Speaker B:Well, tell me how it is when you see me next time because I'll probably be toast if that's the case.
Speaker B:Case post.
Speaker B:Those are my age for some reason.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, this, this is.
Speaker B:I'm with you.
Speaker B:I could see that.
Speaker B:Like, it could be good for a remake.
Speaker C:Like, if you remade it and then you had like, like the.
Speaker C:I think if you did it more like, you'd have to do major league style.
Speaker C:Like, make it put in the majors.
Speaker C:Put it like what they've done with some of these movies where they, like, they're good at incorporating like current NBA stars or MLB stars and like, surrounded by the ecosystem, like, live within the reality of it, but then, like, try to perform a satire within it.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I feel like that format could work.
Speaker B:I agree.
Speaker B:I think it could also be.
Speaker B:And this is probably a hot take, but I think you could make like a TV series out of this.
Speaker B:Yeah, something like this.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Like, where it's a long term kind of thing and I think it would be entertaining for like a couple of seasons.
Speaker B:Then you'd have to let it go.
Speaker B:But like, or you could do it like, what are they doing?
Speaker B:What do they call them now?
Speaker B:Like, where they have these different.
Speaker B:Like American Horror Story where they have different seasons, but they're like standalone seasons.
Speaker B:Even though it takes place in the same universe and it's usually the same actors.
Speaker B:Like, I'm not saying do the same actors, but like, you could do different positions or something each season or they're like a new rookie every year or something like that.
Speaker B:Like in each season's different.
Speaker B:I think there's some options.
Speaker B:I like that idea.
Speaker B:I never really considered it a remake.
Speaker C:Bring Kevin Costner back as the coach.
Speaker C:Crash.
Speaker B:Yeah, there was.
Speaker B:Oh God, there was.
Speaker B:I can't remember the name of it.
Speaker B:There was a movie that would.
Speaker B:That I think had the Durham Bulls in it.
Speaker B:Like, trying to remember.
Speaker B:Freddie Prinze Jr.
Speaker B:Was in it, which didn't help its case, but, God, what was it called?
Speaker B:Because it was.
Speaker B:But it.
Speaker B:I think it.
Speaker B:Ironically enough, it was better than this, in my opinion.
Speaker B:And it's one of the Summer Catch.
Speaker B:It's called Summer Catch.
Speaker B:It had Freddie Prinze Jr.
Speaker B:And Jessica Beal, Matthew Lillard, Wilmer Valderrama.
Speaker B:Terrible movie, but it was better than this.
Speaker B:But it.
Speaker B:Like, he was a picture kind of thing.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:It was interesting.
Speaker C:When you talk about that premise, like, you think of Karate Kid and what they've done with Cobra Kai.
Speaker C:I just finished it.
Speaker C:And, like, they took movie and made it a TV show and built upon that and, like, lean into it.
Speaker C:I'm like, that format could work for some stuff you want.
Speaker C:If that's the way you want to reboot something.
Speaker C:Because I even appreciated, especially at the end, they brought in almost every character and they had them come back at some point and, like, played their little part in.
Speaker C:I was like, wow, this actually worked.
Speaker C:How did they do that?
Speaker C:Because you don't see that.
Speaker C:I was like, how did they.
Speaker C:And 1.
Speaker C:I'm like, how do they get some of these people to come back and act for that one moment?
Speaker C:They're probably not even acting anymore, but they got them to do it well.
Speaker B:They even got the one guy that was, like, terminally ill in real life come back in right before he actually passed away, I think, and, like, play.
Speaker B:He was.
Speaker B:I didn't know that he was one of.
Speaker B:What's his face.
Speaker B:His friends from the original movie.
Speaker B:Like, the.
Speaker B:Not Daniel, but what's Johnny like, one of the Cobra Kai guys?
Speaker B:Like, he was one of those guys.
Speaker B:Could be.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker B:It was one of the four of them, like, when they were all kids and he was hanging out and they had, like, season one or season two where they went to, like, camping or whatever and they were out drinking, like, by a fire.
Speaker B:One of those guys in real life had cancer.
Speaker B:Played like that in that thing in the show.
Speaker B:And then they used it.
Speaker B:Clever.
Speaker C:I know you're talking about.
Speaker C:They just.
Speaker C:They got.
Speaker C:They got so many people.
Speaker C:Like, they had one dude that he was in the original as one of the Karate Kids in the tournament that got, like, third place and he was the judge for, like, the last match.
Speaker C:I was like.
Speaker C:I was like, how did they get this guy?
Speaker C:Like, that's so crazy.
Speaker C:All that to be said.
Speaker C:And we're really getting off of the tangent, but I think Cobra, like, they found something with that where, like, some of these other.
Speaker C:It's not just do a full reboot like, shoot, dude.
Speaker C:Like reopen your ecosystem and bring some people back and tell the story in a different way.
Speaker C:And Kevin Costner's still acting like crazy.
Speaker C:Like, could work.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And he's a much better actor now.
Speaker C:I'd be like, shoot, dude.
Speaker C:I probably watch it.
Speaker B:It's fair.
Speaker B:And he's.
Speaker B:Yeah, I could see him being an old gruff like.
Speaker C:Dick out there.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Well, it would be funnier is if he's like the.
Speaker B:Consider him the manager.
Speaker B:And he goes out and tells a batter.
Speaker B:Like what is.
Speaker B:Like that would be great.
Speaker B:Or like he goes out and tells you get.
Speaker B:Maybe you get some Kenny Lofton remake, you know, like some dude that's just fast as stealing bases.
Speaker B:And like he tells the picture, the catcher, he's gonna steal second because he's being.
Speaker B:He tells him not to her.
Speaker B:So he tells him.
Speaker B:He's still saying, that'd be funny as that would be.
Speaker C:All right, Hollywood, we're coming for you.
Speaker B:Get it done.
Speaker B:I don't know if you get Costner in it, though.
Speaker B:He's so busy making more of his, like bloated western.
Speaker C:He's all right.
Speaker C:He's all about the western life.
Speaker C:I can't say I hate it.
Speaker C:Love a good Western.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, he's.
Speaker B:He loves Utah.
Speaker B:He makes it his.
Speaker B:He's been pushing hard.
Speaker B:But between Utah and.
Speaker B:I think he does a lot in Arizona too now.
Speaker B:But yeah, Kevin Costner, good old.
Speaker C:The way he is now.
Speaker C:That dude needed to be born like the 19th century.
Speaker C:Like the wild, wild west times.
Speaker C:Like, he plays it well.
Speaker C:I'm like, shoot, dude, you probably could have been it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's such a weird swing too, because he's either like full on western, hard ass guy.
Speaker B:Well, a lot of times.
Speaker B:Or you see him in sports movies where it's just like.
Speaker B:Because he does have an obsession with baseball.
Speaker B:Like, he's done quite a few.
Speaker B:Like if you think about actors that have gotten pigeonholed, like, he's done For Love of the Game, Field of Dreams, Bull Durham.
Speaker B:Trying to think if there was another one.
Speaker B:But those three for sure.
Speaker B:Baseball.
Speaker B:And then the fact that like you can IMDb this dude.
Speaker B:And we found, what was it, nine different sports movies that the guy's done in his career.
Speaker B:Like, that's crazy.
Speaker B:I don't think there's another actor I can think of that's done that many like a sports movie or.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:It's crazy what he.
Speaker B:He's a weird dude.
Speaker B:But then he does like Mr.
Speaker B:Brooks and that's a great one.
Speaker B:But yeah, the better, the older he's got, the better he is.
Speaker B:And this is a movie that his goofiness doesn't come out.
Speaker B:Like, is that weird?
Speaker B:So to me, like, I just don't, I don't know.
Speaker B:He's not, he's hit and miss in this.
Speaker B:But I also just think the movie isn't my favorite thing in the world, period.
Speaker A:There's a lot of things that I can't, that I can forgive in this movie, but there's two that I will not.
Speaker A:And the first is you got a switch hitting catcher who can call a game like nobody's business.
Speaker A:And he spent 21 days in the majors.
Speaker A:Yeah, like, that doesn't make sense.
Speaker A:Make it make him not be able to hit a curve or, you know, you know, slider blind.
Speaker A:Can't.
Speaker A:Can't do it.
Speaker A:Give him some sort of hiccup.
Speaker A:But on, on screen and like, on paper, he's the perfect, perfect person that you want catching a major league ball game.
Speaker A:And so that was one where I was like, give, give him a crutch.
Speaker A:Anything that would keep him out because it, the talent is there, right?
Speaker A:You're showing that me that the talent is there and they're just not recognizing it for whatever reason.
Speaker A:So he could be in this position to help a young guy out.
Speaker A:And the second one is near the end where they're having that montage scene of all the, you know, lovey dovey Kevin Costner, Sarah Saran and stuff.
Speaker A:And they leave.
Speaker A:They make a mess with like the cereal and milk and they leave her for three days.
Speaker A:Like, that really pissed me off.
Speaker B:I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker B:It bothered me too.
Speaker B:When he knocked it over and just let it keep spilling.
Speaker B:I was like, that's gonna smell.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker A:I was sitting there going, why?
Speaker B:I mean, I'm fine if you leave the mess, but like, at least pick up the carton so it doesn't keep pouring out.
Speaker B:Like, but then also like the sex in the bathtub scene.
Speaker B:I'm like, oh, look, man, if you know you're gonna have sex in the bathtub and I'm game.
Speaker B:Like, if you got one of those cool bear claw soaking tubs and you can make that work and you're okay with the logistics of it.
Speaker B:Good on you.
Speaker B:But don't fill it full.
Speaker B:Like, when that starts splashing onto the floor, my head goes, oh, you just ruined your floor.
Speaker B:Like, I just, like, that's expensive to replace either that wood.
Speaker B:The only thing you're doing safe is if there's tile on there.
Speaker B:But even then, the amount of water that they were spilling out in two seconds, and that wasn't even the height of what they were doing.
Speaker B:Like, dude, you just up a lot of.
Speaker B:Right there.
Speaker B:Your base whale moves in there.
Speaker B:I was like, so I'm with you.
Speaker B:I was like, no, don't.
Speaker B:Don't.
Speaker B:Don't do that.
Speaker B:Like, I love sex, but none of it's worth ruining my baseboards for.
Speaker C:Well, as we wrap things up, I asked Chat GPT.
Speaker C:It's basically Kevin Costner in Sylvester Stallone tied for the most.
Speaker B:Oh, really?
Speaker C:Well, you got to think about how many Rockies.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:He's done Rocky movies.
Speaker B:I guess technically, those.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I look at those as all one, though.
Speaker B:But I get where it.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean.
Speaker C:I mean, yeah, they're movies.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Definitely wins for the most diverse type of one.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:But then a close second, like, third, fourth.
Speaker C:Like, Adam Sandler's up there.
Speaker C:And surprisingly, Will Ferrell as well.
Speaker C:You think about all the.
Speaker C:He's an Ice skating to basketball to soccer to some other things.
Speaker C:I should probably nascar.
Speaker C:He's been a lot of different ones.
Speaker B:All hyped up on Mountain Dew.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker C:Last.
Speaker B:It's the only line in that whole movie that I actually, like, hate that movie.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker B:Should we rate this thing?
Speaker C:Let's rate it.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Alec.
Speaker A:My movie.
Speaker A:I get to go first.
Speaker B:Yes, you do.
Speaker A:I'm G.
Speaker A:Give bulldormer 3W.
Speaker A:Yeah, shut up.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker A:It's enough for me to enjoy, and I get what they're trying to do.
Speaker A:I don't like a lot of how they did it, but aside from the unforgivable scenes, like, I'm cracking up for a lot of this movie because I'm like, that was stupid, but it was funny.
Speaker A:Like, I get the joke, and so I'm gonna give it a three.
Speaker A:I will watch it again.
Speaker A:100.
Speaker C:Let me go.
Speaker C:Yeah, this movie's like.
Speaker C:It's a two.
Speaker C:Will not watch it again.
Speaker C:I did not like what they were trying to do as much.
Speaker C:If you're trying to watch this for baseball, go watch a different movie.
Speaker C:If you're watching this because you want to watch good acting and character progression and beautiful people on screen, go watch something else.
Speaker C:And, yeah, like, I wish I didn't have to see this, but, you know, it's classic.
Speaker C:Not all classics are made the same.
Speaker B:Fair.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm gonna give it a 2 as well.
Speaker B:I don't understand it.
Speaker B:Like, I don't even see what they're trying to do other than have sex, baseball.
Speaker B:And a little bit of comedy.
Speaker B:Goofy comedy.
Speaker B:Like, I don't.
Speaker B:But as far as, like the through line and the point of the movie, I don't see it.
Speaker B:I never have.
Speaker B:It has some funny moments, kind of, but then it's got a lot of moments where I'm just bothered.
Speaker B:Then there's moments where I'm just like, I don't want to watch this anymore.
Speaker B:Got them kid noises, them babies.
Speaker B:I like it.
Speaker B:So, yeah, like, I just don't.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's not my favorite movie and it is a classic.
Speaker B:It's hard to argue with the fact that a lot of people do like it, but I just don't understand why they like it because it's just not my favorite.
Speaker B:And if Casey looks at.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:I think what my selling point is, if Casey, who is an absolute Kevin Costner fan girl, doesn't like it, this movie sucks because she loves Kevin Costner regardless, so.
Speaker B:And she doesn't like that she was cursing your ass left and right, Alec, when we're watching it.
Speaker B:So it was pretty funny.
Speaker B:But, yeah, I mean, two for me.
Speaker B:I will try to not ever watch this movie, but I can't guarantee that I won't.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:It's a lot easier now than it used to be when, you know, because I can more or less never watch anything I don't want to watch typically.
Speaker B:But I don't see why I would.
Speaker B:Unless one of you put it on and made me watch it hanging out, which I don't see happening.
Speaker B:Except maybe Alec, because he's.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:There's a long list of movies I'd put on before this one.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:That makes sense.
Speaker B:I believe that.
Speaker B:I believe that.
Speaker B:So, yeah, there it is.
Speaker B:Two for me.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's not our.
Speaker C:If Alex is going to take that opportunity, he's going to pick something else first for you, you and he to watch, I'm sure.
Speaker A:Super Baby Geniuses 2 just means I'll.
Speaker B:Fall asleep on your ass.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's all that means.
Speaker B:All right, so, Alec, tell everybody where they can find us.
Speaker A:Happy to.
Speaker A:So this is week four.
Speaker A:Thank you for tuning into week four of our Kevin Costner sports movies.
Speaker A:And let us know in the comments.
Speaker A:Has Matson officially lost his man of the People title?
Speaker A:Because the people seem to like Bull Durham and Madsen did not let us know.
Speaker A:I'm eager to hear from the people.
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Speaker A:With that I'll kick it back to the Titan of terror, the king of.
Speaker C:Crash A.
Speaker C:JJ I gotta step in here.
Speaker C:Jay.
Speaker C:I'm sorry.
Speaker C:I'm gonna silence you people.
Speaker C:You listen.
Speaker C:And sometimes we have to save ourselves from ourselves.
Speaker C:And sometimes we have to have a voice of reason, an anchor amongst the storm.
Speaker A:I'm not sure man, the people would disagree with the people so much is all I'm saying.
Speaker C:Sometimes the people need to see the error of their ways and they need to be enlightened.
Speaker B:We really disagree.
Speaker B:This movie gets a 97 fresh wow wow from from critics.
Speaker B:And it's an 82% fresh from the people.
Speaker A:You better take off that people crown, Matson.
Speaker A:You'd have lost your touch.
Speaker B:And even on IMDb it's a 7 out of 10.
Speaker B:I don't understand it.
Speaker B:I, I.
Speaker B:Please somebody tell me in the comments why this movie is as popular and as famous and what it is.
Speaker B:I just don't get it.
Speaker B:I don't get the movie.
Speaker B:I don't get why people like it.
Speaker B:But whatever, who am I?
Speaker B:I'm certainly not a man of the people.
Speaker B:But with that, as always, we appreciate you tuning in.
Speaker B:We'll catch you on the next one.
Speaker C:Bye.
Speaker A:Hasta la vista, baby.
Speaker B:Cinematic out.
