Tin Cup (1996)
Alec, JJ and Mattson dive into a critical examination of the film "Tin Cup," featuring Kevin Costner in a role that has elicited divergent opinions among us. We delve into the film's depiction of a washed-up golf pro's quest for redemption and love, alongside the humorous antics that ensue, such as the use of gardening tools in place of golf clubs. Our discussions also traverse the broader themes of character development, the nature of success, and the film’s ultimate commentary on personal fulfillment versus societal expectations. Through this discourse, we invite our listeners to reflect on their own interpretations and experiences with the film, fostering a rich dialogue about cinematic storytelling and its impact on our perceptions of sports and life.
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I mean, I would disagree with you.
Speaker A:I think this is my least favorite Kevin Costner movie I've ever seen.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:And I would put peak young Kevin Costner in something like Waterworld.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Suck it, J.J.
Speaker B:waterworld blows, dude.
Speaker A:You blow.
Speaker B:Only on special occasions.
Speaker B:Welcome to the what's a verdict podcast where we fashion ourselves cinematic judge and Jerry.
Speaker B:My name is JJ Kirk Prouder.
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Speaker C:Maybe not my.
Speaker C:Maybe not my therapist.
Speaker C:My wife, he's a therapist.
Speaker B:Yeah, she might come on here and really get at me after.
Speaker A:The therapists are overrated.
Speaker A:You don't need them.
Speaker B:Unless you're a crackpot golfer.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's was it week two, week three, week three, week three of our Kevin Costner sports films month here in March.
Speaker B:And we're.
Speaker B:We're cooking right along and we're going right with tin Cup.
Speaker B:Round three.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:It was written by John Norville and Ron Shelton.
Speaker B:It was directed by Ron Shelton.
Speaker B:Stars Kevin Costner, Renee Russo, Don Johnson, Cheech Marin, Linda Hart, Dennis Berkeley, Lou Myers, Rex Lynn, Richard Lineback and George Perez.
Speaker B:It's about a washed up golf pro working at a driving range who tries to qualify for the u.
Speaker B:S.
Speaker B:Open in order to win the heart of his successful rival's girlfriend.
Speaker B:That's a pretty good synopsis of this film.
Speaker B:This one was mine.
Speaker B:So I'll go ahead and talk.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Look, I don't love Kevin Costner.
Speaker B:I think I mentioned that both of the previous movies.
Speaker B:He's not my favorite usually, but this is.
Speaker B:This to me is like outside of like his serious later that he's done and he's like really mean.
Speaker B:Like this to me was Pete Kevin Costner when he was young because he's.
Speaker B:He tried to always do the serious movies like dances with wolves and like the postman and like all these dead serious hard.
Speaker B:But he's really to me like this goofy idiot character really works for him, at least when he was younger.
Speaker B:So I appreciate this film.
Speaker B:I also like the ridiculousness of this film.
Speaker B:Playing golf with like gardening tools and makes me laugh.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:Some of the speeches.
Speaker B:Like when I was in high school, we did a.
Speaker B:That I had to do.
Speaker B:Like I was in speech and debate or whatever because I like to argue.
Speaker B:But like I was in.
Speaker B:We had to do a monologue from a movie and I picked the.
Speaker B:The Broy Macavoy swing is great.
Speaker B:So I used to.
Speaker B:I can't do it anymore.
Speaker B:I tried, but I don't have it all memorized anymore.
Speaker C:When you golf, did this movie just play in your head and repeat?
Speaker C:You had to make sure you waggled the.
Speaker C:Waggled the club.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, this movie.
Speaker B:And then, yeah, of course, like Happy Gilmore and like any other golf movie you can think of that are just outrageous and silly.
Speaker B:That's always what I was thinking because I'm a terrible golfer.
Speaker B:Love to play.
Speaker B:But hey, golf and sex, two things you don't have to be good at to enjoy.
Speaker B:So it's very true statement.
Speaker B:But yeah, no, I.
Speaker B:Look, I think this movie's hilarious.
Speaker B:I didn't actually see this movie until I was.
Speaker B:It's a old movie, but I didn't see it until I was way an adult because I.
Speaker B:Again, Kevin Costner, not my top choice typically.
Speaker B:But when I watched it, I got a.
Speaker B:I still to this day have.
Speaker C:What got you to watch it then?
Speaker C:If you were a Kevin Costner fan, you watch this later in life.
Speaker B:Casey.
Speaker B:Casey's a huge Kevin Costner fan.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And she's also a huge Renee Russo fan.
Speaker B:So when you combine them, she's like, you haven't seen Tin Cup?
Speaker B:I'm like, I don't like Kevin Costner that much.
Speaker B:So then I watched it and I laughed quite a bit.
Speaker B:But it's funny because.
Speaker B:And I think I mentioned this in a previous one of the last two weeks, but Kevin Costner, to me, is another one of these actors that at the end of the day, he's not the most phenomenal actor on the planet by a long shot, but he does surround himself with really great actors.
Speaker B:And so, like, it's interesting to me because like in this film, Cheech Marin steals this movie.
Speaker B:Like, he's the best part of this movie, in my opinion.
Speaker B:And I like, look, don't get me wrong, I like Tin Cup.
Speaker B:I like the character.
Speaker B:But I, yeah, Cheese Marin just cracks my.
Speaker B:Up the whole movie.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And then like his little crew, like that crew feels way too familiar for me.
Speaker B:Those, Those.
Speaker B:That group of just absolute moronic Ass clowns.
Speaker B:Like those are my people.
Speaker B:So I, yeah, I can really relate to this film.
Speaker B:So that's where this movie came from for me is it was one of those things that started to convert me to Kevin Costner when I was finally put onto this movie.
Speaker B:But that my brother in law, he loves it too.
Speaker B:Like Rick, we used to go golfing all the time and so we'd always quote Tin cup while we were golfing.
Speaker B:It was fun.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, I know neither of you thought this was a wonderful, great, exciting film.
Speaker B:I've.
Speaker B:I've heard from both of you now about it.
Speaker B:You're welcome regardless.
Speaker B:But I'm excited to hear what you guys on it for.
Speaker B:I have ideas, but.
Speaker A:So I will say I will give a positive to this movie first.
Speaker A:So the using the gardening tools to golf cracked me up.
Speaker A:And the reason was I'm a pretty big dude, perfect fan.
Speaker A:And they have a couple videos where they do like this all sports golf thing.
Speaker A:So it's essentially the same thing.
Speaker A:And I've been wondering where they got the idea from.
Speaker A:Tin cup there.
Speaker B:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:Gave them the idea for it.
Speaker A:And I was watching this just cracking up because I was like, this is, I want to know who came up with the idea, like to use a rake as a putter but hold it like a pool cue.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like the maniacal laugh afterwards.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I go back to 400 bucks.
Speaker A:I can beat you with this.
Speaker A:And then they actually do it and that.
Speaker A:So that sequence was just phenomenal.
Speaker A:But then, I mean, I would disagree with you.
Speaker A:I think this is my least favorite Kevin Costner movie I've ever seen.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:And I would put peak young Kevin Costner in something like Waterworld.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Suck it, jj.
Speaker B:Water world blows, dude.
Speaker B:You blow only on special occasions.
Speaker A:And so I, I'm watching Roy McAvoy as Tin cup and it's, it's set up for greatness.
Speaker A:And then it gets in its own way like four or five times to where now I'm just like, dude, this, this is trash.
Speaker A:I hate it.
Speaker A:I hate every part of it.
Speaker A:And he even gets the point where I'm like the.
Speaker A:You took Cheech and you may.
Speaker A:You ruined him for me.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:He made Cheech so good.
Speaker A:But there was parts in this movie where I was like, I need teach to be teach.
Speaker A:And they tried to make him play a part.
Speaker B:Oh man, I love teaching this.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was, I didn't like it.
Speaker A:I mean, I would say thank you for making me watch it, but I feel like I could have googled or youtubed certain aspects of it and been completely fine.
Speaker A:Right, McAvoy.
Speaker B:Love it.
Speaker B:Love it.
Speaker B:All right, Madsen, bring it on.
Speaker B:Your turn to all over it.
Speaker C:Look like I.
Speaker C:Things go kind of two ways.
Speaker C:I either hate something and I'm passionately hating it, or I hate it.
Speaker C:And, like, I've already had amnesia about why I didn't like it.
Speaker C:This is that movie.
Speaker C:Like, I had to break this movie up and watch it because one Tay stopped watching it.
Speaker C:We called JJ so she could just berate him and, like, bombasted with her opinion about how annoyed she was with this movie, how dumb it was.
Speaker C:And then so I had to watch on my own and I had to break it up in a couple instances just because I had to take it in chunks.
Speaker C:And, like, that's never good.
Speaker C:Like, that's.
Speaker C:That's usually just a bad recipe for a movie that doesn't captivate my attention.
Speaker C:Like, were there parts that I wanted to be like, the garden tools were.
Speaker C:It was interesting, but Happy Gilmore doesn't use a gardening tool, but he makes golf much more enjoyable and interesting to me.
Speaker C:She just.
Speaker C:Character.
Speaker C:Your opinion is even worse there, America.
Speaker C:The people agrees with that.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker C:Like, I don't know.
Speaker C:Like, what was it?
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:This movie, it just didn't go anywhere for me.
Speaker C:Like, I.
Speaker C:I hated the ending.
Speaker C:Like, I know why it ended that way, but, like, he can't learn.
Speaker C:He can't grow.
Speaker C:Like, my gosh, 12 strokes to end it when you could have won it.
Speaker C:Like, come on now.
Speaker C:Like, what are we.
Speaker C:What are we doing here?
Speaker C:Like, I know it's so classic Tin cup, and he's legendary for it, but, like, I think I just hated his wife beater.
Speaker C:Look, half the time, like, it just bothered me, this trailer trash.
Speaker C:I guess I just.
Speaker C:It never hit the vibe, like, the jokes.
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker C:This movie is very witty and it had some clever banter, but I don't know.
Speaker C:Like, I think I just didn't like the subject matter so much.
Speaker C:It just.
Speaker C:Look, I've already tried to repress it, and that's kind of where my mind sits right now.
Speaker B:Here's a man that claims to be by the people and for the people, but shits on the wife beater in the trailer trash.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:See, Madison, this is the one time America doesn't agree with us.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:We are.
Speaker A:We are the wrong right now as.
Speaker C:A part of just, like, look at the picture on our screen.
Speaker C:He just doesn't look good in that get up.
Speaker C:It's just not for him.
Speaker A:Dude, have you been to, like, 47 United States of America?
Speaker B:And have you been.
Speaker C:I'm not saying other people.
Speaker C:I'm not saying other people don't.
Speaker C:I'm just saying it.
Speaker C:I just didn't vibe with him.
Speaker A:But you're the man of the people.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:One of the.
Speaker C:One of the parts that did make me laugh, though, is the part where he is going to.
Speaker C:He goes, sees the.
Speaker C:The doctor for therapy.
Speaker C:That chick comes out and she's crying because apparently he's in the exit room that was still being made.
Speaker C:He goes in, tells her stuff, and then he's about to leave.
Speaker C:He's like, I'm sorry, she's still crying.
Speaker C:Like, that part was funny to me.
Speaker C:Like, that.
Speaker C:That.
Speaker C:That totally made me laugh.
Speaker C:I was like, ah, yeah, I could.
Speaker C:I can imagine that.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:It just didn't resonate with me.
Speaker C:Like, this just wasn't feeling the hero work.
Speaker B:Yeah, I.
Speaker B:That it surprises me because, like, I am, like, I get.
Speaker B:It's kind of a weird, like, premise, but, like, the.
Speaker B:The ending, I think it's one of the greatest endings ever.
Speaker B:Because it's so true to me that, like, look, I watch the U.S.
Speaker B:open every year.
Speaker B:I think the U.S.
Speaker B:opens, amazing.
Speaker B:I think Augusta is.
Speaker B:I want to play Augusta one time in my life, but I'm not that wealthy.
Speaker B:So, like.
Speaker B:But I would like watching that scene where he lines up.
Speaker B:Because I've played a lot of golf when I was.
Speaker B:When I was younger, I played golf like, multiple times a week.
Speaker B:So it was like, I love golf.
Speaker B:And so watching.
Speaker B:And I'm that guy.
Speaker B:Like, if I hit a shot that I'm like, I know I can hit that shot.
Speaker B:Oh, it's so hard for me not to just drop right there and hit that shot again as a point of pride.
Speaker B:Now, obviously, I'm not playing for the US Open, but at the end of the day, like, I love that the character is true to himself and who he is, and he doesn't give two shits about the US Open.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker B:Like, really?
Speaker B:He doesn't.
Speaker B:He cares about him, and he only starts doing the US Open in order to impress her.
Speaker B:And so it's like, to me, I'm like, that's so true to this character.
Speaker B:And then normally I'd be pissed because I'm like, well, now you're up the US Open, and more than likely you're pissing off the girl.
Speaker B:But she's just as cuckoo as Coke for Cocoa Puffs as he is.
Speaker B:If she's standing on the freaking infield, like, laughing and giggling and telling them to go for it.
Speaker B:In fact, she's the one that tells him to go for it in the first place on that first shot.
Speaker B:And then it.
Speaker B:So it's like, I just love everything about that because it's so ridiculous.
Speaker B:But I can see some lining up and doing that just for the sake of saying that they club that.
Speaker B:And then the other piece that I love about it is golf.
Speaker B:Is that.
Speaker B:At least for me, golf can be the.
Speaker B:Is the most irritating, frustrating, annoying sport I've ever played in my life.
Speaker B:But I could have the worst day of golf, miss every shot.
Speaker B:Fucking triple bogeys on every hole.
Speaker B:And then one hole I hit this just absolute beauty of a fade.
Speaker B:It's just dropping in and it's long, or it's right on the green, or I freaking chip one up and it gets super close, or I tank, and all of a sudden, everything that I did that was shitty before is over, and I'm ready to keep on playing that game.
Speaker B:And that's one of the only games and sports that I've ever played that.
Speaker B:That does that for me.
Speaker B:Like, normally, like, I could play a lot of baseball.
Speaker B:We talked about that previous two, and, like, if I got in a slump or a funk in baseball, like, it was hard for me to get out of it.
Speaker B:Like, even when I did something good, I was always focusing on the.
Speaker B:That I did wrong.
Speaker B:Golf is one of the only sports, if not the only sport, at least for me, where one great shot can erase in my mind and, like, my confidence every shitty shot that led up to it.
Speaker B:And so I just.
Speaker B:I really can relate to that.
Speaker B:Like, especially when he hits it and it rolls up.
Speaker B:Like, I'm like, every time I get, like, it gets me.
Speaker B:I'm like, yes.
Speaker B:Way to go, Cup.
Speaker B:Way to sink that.
Speaker B:Because if it didn't go in, it's probably coming back off the green again.
Speaker B:So I just.
Speaker B:For me, like, I get one, I laugh through this whole movie.
Speaker B:And then two, like, the ending when he's, like, on it.
Speaker B:I love that.
Speaker B:As ridiculous as it is.
Speaker A:Maybe part of my problem comes from my lack of knowledge with golf, But I had a hard time telling if Tim cup was a good golfer or if he was lucky, like, throughout the movie.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:Because it comes down to he's got these, you know, moments where he's like, oh, I can hit that shot.
Speaker A:I can hit that shot.
Speaker A:I can hit that shot.
Speaker A:Now, granted, he never says anything else except that he can the shot.
Speaker A:So you Know, play your percentages.
Speaker A:But you have him hit, you know, the shot that gets him noticed, right?
Speaker A:This incredible shot where they're like, hey, there's no way I want to see it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But then he hits it.
Speaker A:And so then you're like, oh, no, this guy's got talent.
Speaker A:Then he goes.
Speaker A:This whole thing where he's got the yips and stuff like that, but you have.
Speaker A:For most.
Speaker A:I'm sitting there going, wait, is he good at golfing or is he just super lucky?
Speaker A:And, you know, he kind of.
Speaker C:Look, it's.
Speaker C:Come on.
Speaker C:It's hard to tell if he's good or if he's talented, because the part where he's in the clubhouse and he hits the pelican, like, get out of here, Jay.
Speaker C:Like, one.
Speaker C:You tell me.
Speaker C:People are gonna.
Speaker C:They're gonna be like, three feet apart in either way.
Speaker C:Be like, oh, we're in.
Speaker C:The lady that leans into the door.
Speaker C:We're like, I'm sorry, lady.
Speaker C:You might want to put your head back just on the off chance that he shanks it slightly and ends your life.
Speaker C:Like, no chance.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker B:I could see it happening.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker B:The golf course is the dumbest place.
Speaker B:Like, people do some serious.
Speaker B:Dude.
Speaker B:Okay, Let me tell you a story about golf and courses.
Speaker B:Like, so golf balls are not cheap.
Speaker B:Even back when I was playing a lot, they're expensive.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:So to get golf balls, there's a lot of golf courses here in Utah.
Speaker B:And there's one.
Speaker B:There's, like four of them that are right around my house, and there's one.
Speaker B:I won't say the name of it.
Speaker B:I don't know, but we had a friend who lived.
Speaker B:Their fence.
Speaker B:Their back fence was over this golf course.
Speaker B:Like, connected this golf course.
Speaker B:So one night we were like, we need golf balls.
Speaker B:So we hopped that fence and went skinny dipping in one of the ponds to get water hazards for, like, two hours.
Speaker B:Came up with, like, 300 golf balls.
Speaker B:It was great.
Speaker C:But, like, skinny dipping.
Speaker C:You weren't wearing any clothes?
Speaker B:No, I was dead ass naked running around the golf course to the different water.
Speaker B:Hot water.
Speaker C:Why did you just wear your boxers?
Speaker B:Because it was.
Speaker B:Because I was fucking 19 and being dumb.
Speaker B:Like, why not go fucking skinny dipping?
Speaker A:This is my favorite JJ story ever.
Speaker C:If there was ladies involved, I can understand.
Speaker B:Well, yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, there was, like seven of us, like, and there were two girls and a bunch of guys.
Speaker C:This makes me feel better.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:I mean, it was.
Speaker B:Look, I'd have done it.
Speaker C:I thought it was just you guys.
Speaker C:I thought it was just you and your buddy.
Speaker C:I was like, okay, like, let's take our clothes up.
Speaker B:Look, I'm not gonna lie that that water is kind of dirty.
Speaker B:So, I mean, I wouldn't.
Speaker B:I could see myself doing it regardless.
Speaker B:Because I don't give a about that.
Speaker B:Like, for me, it's more about, am I doing something dumb and having a good time?
Speaker B:A right, I am.
Speaker B:And so it was cool.
Speaker B:But, yeah, like, we came with a lot of golf balls, and there's always gambling going on in golf, like, between people and doing dumb.
Speaker B:So, yes, I think to your point, they probably wouldn't have stood in that row.
Speaker B:But at the same time, you're also dealing with a bunch of professional golfers or golfers that are good enough to get into the US Open.
Speaker B:And while an amateur can make it, you still got to qualify.
Speaker B:And it's not easy to qualify.
Speaker B:Like these local and regional.
Speaker C:No chance he gets that shot on the first try.
Speaker C:No way.
Speaker B:Oh, I don't put it.
Speaker B:Dude, you throw a.
Speaker B:Someone that's an intimate.
Speaker B:Like a golfer, that where they provide the level of skill that he's supposed to have in the game.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Tiger woods, for example, they're doing this indoor golf shit right now.
Speaker C:So they know he hit the camera.
Speaker B:Well, no, but they want.
Speaker B:He hit the camera.
Speaker B:But two, they told him.
Speaker B:He's like, how far is it?
Speaker B:And they tried to say 199.
Speaker B:Hear the one, the hits it a hundred yards on the nut.
Speaker B:Dude, these guys know how to hit a golf ball.
Speaker B:And it's just like Cheech Marin's character is like, dude, it's a hooded seven iron or a hooded four iron, whatever it was, they know.
Speaker B:They see that.
Speaker B:They're like, I can do that.
Speaker B:And as long as they strike the ball.
Speaker B:Alec, to your point, like, where you're talking about, like, golf being that good, it's a little bit of all of what you're talking about.
Speaker B:You have to have the skill set to understand what the ball is going to do with what club, where it's going, how far you want it to go, the direction.
Speaker B:I mean, these pro golfers that are playing on the tours and like, you can tell.
Speaker B:They can tell hit it what looks like a normal stroke, but to us, as it goes, it's hooking or it's fading right or left.
Speaker B:And they do that on purpose, or they'll hit it in a way so when it hits the green, it backs the up because they hit it so that it puts backspin.
Speaker B:And they know how to do all that So I have no shock now, obviously, it's.
Speaker B:That's a crazy ass shot.
Speaker B:So could he do it on the first one?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:But then that comes into what you're talking about.
Speaker B:Like, you need a little bit of luck because no matter how much skill you are, if you tow it, you hit it with the front end of the club or you heal it and hit it towards the stem of the club, it's not going to go where you want it to go.
Speaker B:And you have to do the backswing, the hit and the follow through all perfectly almost for.
Speaker B:And then hope it hits the club.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So there's a little bit of all that you have to have to skill, but you also got to have a little bit of luck because for me.
Speaker A:When we get to the final shot, right, any, you know, 12, 13 balls, whatever it is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm sitting there going, okay, well, if everybody took 12 or 13 shots, could they also hit it in like.
Speaker A:Because he's.
Speaker A:He's the only one who's strong arming it because he's, you know, fucking.
Speaker C:He's the only one dumb enough to try to get television.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He doesn't give any shit about the US Open.
Speaker A:So he's just going to make the shot.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:That's his primary thing.
Speaker A:So I'm sitting there going, well, okay, because it's supposed to be this really difficult shot, but that makes it difficult that the course is a par 5 or whatever it was.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's really long.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So you, you have a certain amount of shots.
Speaker A:That's why they do it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:But if you're just sitting back there, you know, do over, do over, do over and rack up the score.
Speaker A:So I'm sitting there and I'm having trouble connecting the dots and making these really cool shots versus the just kind of strong arming and, you know, being able to hit the ball that far and then just getting it to land right by doing it over and over again.
Speaker A:And so we get to the end of the payoff and I'm kind of.
Speaker B:Like, huh, that's fair.
Speaker B:I mean, I can see, like, if you didn't understand, like, why that's such a difficult shot, and really that one is just about distance.
Speaker B:And then that hole, the water hazard that you got to clear that water, and then the fact that the green angles back down towards it, like, there's a lot of things working against you in that hole.
Speaker B:And most of the time it makes.
Speaker C:A good point, though.
Speaker C:Like, how many of those other golfers, if they wanted to, could have done it in that many shots now I could think the smartest thing.
Speaker A:So I'm missing the miraculous finish part because I'm sitting there going, okay, well.
Speaker C:If everything it isn't didn't care.
Speaker C:It's just a stubborn dick.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's the thing is like, they even talk about John Daly, who hits the ball like a truck.
Speaker B:Like that's his thing.
Speaker B:The hits the ball a country mile every time he hits it.
Speaker B:He great golfer, but his thing was distance more than anything in power because he's this big fat weird and he's funny as hell.
Speaker B:But anyway, so they talked about daily trying it.
Speaker B:And he's typically known to be the biggest hitter in the tour, at least back then in the 90s.
Speaker B:And so it's not about.
Speaker B:It's a stupid ass shot.
Speaker B:He shouldn't be taking it at that distance.
Speaker B:Like they say.
Speaker B:He should be laying up, hit the seven iron, get it to where it's just a nice little easy smack with a.
Speaker B:With an iron of some sort, a different, smaller club up onto the green, and then you putt for birdie, which is one under par, and you're still doing great, right?
Speaker B:But there is something about.
Speaker B:And I don't know what it is about golf, but once you get a hold, it gets a hold of you.
Speaker B:And like, man, if I have a chance for an eagle, so I have a chance to get on a par five on the green in two hits, I want to do it, but you got to be able to hit it hard and far.
Speaker B:And he should never.
Speaker B:And that's the whole point.
Speaker B:He should never have been taking the shot.
Speaker B:And it's dumb even to take, like the first time he does it when that dude freaking hold out and at par, and he.
Speaker B:All he has to do is birdie.
Speaker B:Like, there's no way in hell he should have taken that shot.
Speaker B:And if she hadn't looked at him and nodded, he might not have.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker B:Because I think that's the part that I love is right there in that moment, Cheech was like, dude, lay up.
Speaker B:He's got the club.
Speaker B:And then he looks over at freaking doctor lady and she gives him the nod.
Speaker B:So then he puts him in a place where he's playing to tie, right?
Speaker B:And so it's like.
Speaker B:And then once that's over, he's.
Speaker B:And I, for me, like, what triggers it and what I love, my favorite shot that he hits, that he hits is the first time when he's playing the record round, and he's like, I'm going for it.
Speaker B:And he smacks it.
Speaker B:And he's like, we're home.
Speaker B:He's like, oh, that's it.
Speaker B:And then that little gust of wind pushes it just.
Speaker B:It slows it down just enough to have it roll back down.
Speaker B:And I love, like, that little gust from the gods, but I love that because that's the moment that triggers the final thing.
Speaker B:Because he hit the green, he knows he can get there.
Speaker B:It's just got to be the perfect circumstance.
Speaker B:And that little nugget of confidence of I can do that triggers the most ridiculous ending of a golf match.
Speaker B:But at the same time, I love her comment at the end.
Speaker B:She goes, nobody remembers who's gonna win, who won the Open, but they'll remember your 12.
Speaker B:And I'm like, that's true.
Speaker B:Because there's guys that score that don't even make the cut in the Open.
Speaker B:So to help you out, ALEC, they play four rounds of golf for the U.S.
Speaker B:in most major tournaments, the first two are called the cut.
Speaker B:You have to get a certain score to make it to the second two rounds.
Speaker B:A lot of guys that don't even make the cut end up on Sports center years and years and years and years, for years and years because they make some crazy chip or they hit one out of the sand.
Speaker B:And that's the.
Speaker B:That golf, like non golfers remember when they.
Speaker B:Because that's what they play on Sports.
Speaker B:The 12 would have been on, and you guys know it.
Speaker B:The 12 would have been on ESPN for the next six months, right?
Speaker B:And so he becomes a legend, even though he up and was dumb and they'll criticize him for it.
Speaker B:But, like, that's the part that I love is, like, it's just this dumb situation, but I can relate to it.
Speaker B:Like, I would have a hard time not being Tin cup in that moment if I had the skill set and I was doing it.
Speaker B:Like, I would have a hard time not doing it.
Speaker B:So that's where I can really relate to that.
Speaker B:That and then the funny lines.
Speaker B:I did.
Speaker C:I did a fair bit of golfing growing up.
Speaker C:Watched a lot of golf growing up.
Speaker C:D if we're trying to say this, just.
Speaker C:Yeah, whatever.
Speaker B:Well, that's the part two, though, that you reference.
Speaker B:And I'm gonna get into.
Speaker B:I'm gonna steal your thunder a little, Alec, because go for it.
Speaker A:You're gonna have a way better delivery.
Speaker B:Well, because I'm getting into, like, you talk about Happy Gilmore, and I know you like Happy Gilmore.
Speaker B:So here's my problem with Happy Gilmore is this dude makes a tour with the most unrealistic hits ever created.
Speaker B:Like, there's no way somebody consistently walks into a swing like that every single time.
Speaker B:And clubs 100 miles.
Speaker B:So I'm trying to figure out, like, why that makes sense.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:Okay, but this dude who actually played.
Speaker C:The movie was never trying to be serious.
Speaker C:But then this guy's a good golfer, and he has a chance to actually win the U.S.
Speaker C:open.
Speaker C:And he's stubborn enough where he can't realize, you know what?
Speaker C:Maybe at least after the first time he went for it, maybe he should lay up after this.
Speaker C:I thought there would just be the typical Hollywood progression where he realized, you know what?
Speaker C:This is my moment to do the right thing, the thing that I have gone against my whole entire life.
Speaker C:But it could be said in the opposite vein that this was a refreshing take in Hollywood.
Speaker C:Didn't Hollywoodize something?
Speaker C:Like, it was actually like, oh, someone actually stuck to who they are.
Speaker C:I'm just like, get out of here, dude.
Speaker C:You have a chance to win the U.S.
Speaker C:open.
Speaker C:You're telling me you're gonna pass that payday up and all that just to prove a point?
Speaker C:Come on.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, I get your preserve.
Speaker B:I get the perspective on up the the U.S.
Speaker B:look, if I was his.
Speaker C:Friend, I'd definitely be telling me you were an idiot.
Speaker C:Really stupid.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Did like, seven times.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, I love the line, too, Cheech.
Speaker B:Like, he has so many lines for me, but, like, at the end, when he's like, this is your last ball.
Speaker B:If you don't get on.
Speaker B:On this one, yeah.
Speaker B:You don't turn your card.
Speaker B:You're done.
Speaker B:And he's like, I can get there.
Speaker B:He's a do it.
Speaker B:Then, like, that's, I just love.
Speaker B:And I think that's the other thing I love, too, in that moment is where everybody finally just goes, look, he's, this is what it is, and this is him.
Speaker B:It just hit it, dude.
Speaker B:Like, and I, I just think that.
Speaker C:That that phrase, that's important in this movie, when a defining moment comes along, you define the moment or the moment defines you.
Speaker C:To me, you could see it, but I could, I could see either of us arguing for or against that in the last moment of what did he define it or it.
Speaker C:Did it define him?
Speaker C:I think both of us could claim what we're saying.
Speaker C:I, I, I think he let that moment.
Speaker C:He, he didn't define it.
Speaker C:He let it define him.
Speaker C:And he stayed where he was, where he could have risen to the occasion and evolved where.
Speaker C:But you could say the exact opposite.
Speaker C:And still be true based off how he believes that statement to be?
Speaker C:Yeah, so I just think that was polarizing to me.
Speaker C:I gotta be honest, Alec, like I thought this would be a movie you would have liked quite a bit.
Speaker C:Like, I don't like I'm gonna end.
Speaker C:I know I don't have like, I don't hate this movie or far from it.
Speaker C:I think it was entertaining.
Speaker C:I just don't like the way it ended.
Speaker C:But I am surprised that you didn't like the movie at all because like the humor level and like Cheech and like how brash Tin cup is, especially Cheech is like telling them how it is.
Speaker C:I thought you would really like that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:There's got to be some interactions that you had to like.
Speaker A:So they're like.
Speaker A:It has its moments, right?
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:Something that I'm going to use frequently from now on is gotta let the big dog eat.
Speaker A:And I'm gonna use it in the most inappropriate.
Speaker A:Never think of.
Speaker A:Because that's funny.
Speaker A:And I enjoyed the like, you know, starstruck Cheech where he's going around getting everybody's autograph as they're, you know, as Tin cup shaking balls down the line and he's just, you know, going over next to him and getting his autographs.
Speaker A:That cracks me up.
Speaker A:And so there's, there's these occasional one off moments, but kind of a little bit to what Matson was talking about, you have almost his progression that goes forward but then doesn't decide to follow through.
Speaker A:And so you have going to therapy, trying to get better, trying to do this and then, nope, I'm Tim Cup.
Speaker A:Fuck it.
Speaker B:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:So for, for a lot of it, like the interactions that were kind of cool lose for me.
Speaker A:But the, the, the one that stuck out probably, probably the most was actually where Tin cup got tin cups.
Speaker B:Whatever, dude.
Speaker A:He's like, I can hit this further than you can seven iron or whatever it was.
Speaker B:Oh, dude.
Speaker A:And he club said, he's like, yeah.
Speaker A:And then this dude just sends it rolling down the road.
Speaker A:And for the car, the Cadillac now it's like, you know that that's the option to be that defining moment or the moment to find you, whatever.
Speaker A:And it's like I'm not as good as I thought I was or stuff.
Speaker A:And no, Tin Cups got a tick up.
Speaker A:But I mean, you know, it was just weird for me to have.
Speaker A:I, I don't know if it's a refreshing take.
Speaker A:I wouldn't say it's refreshing.
Speaker A:It was just weird.
Speaker B:No, I get it.
Speaker B:Like I Get it?
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't deny any of that stuff as far as, like, there's some strange choices.
Speaker B:And I think I'm usually.
Speaker B:And you guys know this, I'm usually a character development fan.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:But I think for me, and I.
Speaker B:This is just my opinion and how I look at it, but I think there is character development in that he's finds out he's okay with who he is, and then he has that moment at the end where he's like, man, I gave away the freaking, you know, the Open.
Speaker B:And she has to, like, therapy his ass through that, right?
Speaker B:To get him to be okay with it.
Speaker B:But then.
Speaker B:So I like that because I think there is some.
Speaker B:And to your point, Matson, I could argue.
Speaker B:My argument would be that both of those things are true at the same time.
Speaker B:Like, from an outside perspective, that moment defined him.
Speaker B:But from his side and probably his friend's side, that's.
Speaker B:He defined that moment.
Speaker B:He made that choice.
Speaker B:So I think it just.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I argue that it's both.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:But I do love the moment, too, because it's such his saying, right?
Speaker C:Cheats.
Speaker B:When he's like, that was a defining moment.
Speaker B:The definition was like those little pokes that his friends get.
Speaker B:And especially Cheech, I do love, too.
Speaker B:When he quits and they're back, he's trying to talk him back into it, and he's like, when you were with Earl, were you thinking about me?
Speaker B:I was thinking about you.
Speaker B:He's like, so.
Speaker B:He's like, well, if you take the sexual overtones out of it, you're my Romeo, I'm your Juliet Romeo.
Speaker B:I just.
Speaker B:Their banter back and forth.
Speaker B:I could just sit and watch clips of it because they just cracked my up.
Speaker C:So, jj, I couldn't help but laughing when Cheech wasn't catting for him as the other guy.
Speaker C:I was like, that might.
Speaker C:That might have been JJ if he was caddying for me.
Speaker C:Dude, this dude been sucking wind like, five holes in, like, just give me a beer.
Speaker C:I'm done.
Speaker B:Absolutely, dude.
Speaker B:I mean, like, playing pro golf.
Speaker B:I need a cart.
Speaker C:Sadly, though, you can't play golf these days at the old back.
Speaker B:Dude, I wish I could.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:You know, I.
Speaker B:All it would take is a phone call and I'd go golf right now.
Speaker B:I'd pay for it, but I'd golf.
Speaker B:I love golf.
Speaker B:It's so much fun to me, as painful as it is.
Speaker B:I love golf.
Speaker C:I went.
Speaker C:My nephews that are up here, they.
Speaker C:They like to golf I used to golf my dad a lot growing up.
Speaker C:We went to a bunch of part threes.
Speaker C:I love going to the driving range.
Speaker C:That's my.
Speaker C:One of my.
Speaker C:In shipping and putting.
Speaker C:I love that.
Speaker C:Playing 18 holes.
Speaker C:It's a long time.
Speaker C:I don't have that kind of time these days to just be, like, peace out, wife and kids for, like, four or five hours.
Speaker C:Like, hard.
Speaker C:Hard to come by that amount of time, especially when they're this young.
Speaker C:But, like, chip and putting.
Speaker C:I love it.
Speaker C:But I went golfing.
Speaker C:What were.
Speaker C:This year was, like, late summer last year.
Speaker C:And I still remember my hand stance and, like, all that.
Speaker C:And I still go to the drive range enough, but, man, there was something to be said for standing there at the T and just being like, I don't know where this ball's gonna go.
Speaker C:Because my problem with golf is the harder I swing, because I could swing hard.
Speaker C:But like most people, the harder you swing with golf, it's hard to know.
Speaker C:Like, it gets real hard to get that thing, that puppy, where you want to go, because any little wiggle in that club, it's.
Speaker C:So I get up there for the first.
Speaker C:This is.
Speaker C:We played the front nine, get there, and I was like, I'm gonna smack the out of this.
Speaker C:Like, I'm gonna hit this thing so hard.
Speaker C:And I did hit it really hard, but I hit it like a moonshot.
Speaker C:Like, we're talking.
Speaker C:Like, I.
Speaker C:Like, it went up so high, like, it was right next to the clubhouse.
Speaker C:I was like, oh, my gosh.
Speaker C:This thing took forever to come down.
Speaker C:I probably hit it, like, 120 yards, which is not far, but I hit that thing so high, like, so high.
Speaker C:And then it was just a constant battle for the next three or four holes.
Speaker C:Been at the range in, like, a year or two just to figure out, like, getting the right swing speed and cadence.
Speaker C:And then hole six, like Jay was talking about, smacked the out of it.
Speaker C:The perfect, perfect hit.
Speaker C:I hit it so much further than Alex and Jack and.
Speaker C:And Travis, like, crushed it.
Speaker C:But then my next shot for the approach.
Speaker C:Rude.
Speaker C:That pooch so bad.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:That's golf.
Speaker B:Golf, dude.
Speaker B:I'm telling you.
Speaker B:Every time.
Speaker B:I remember one of my greatest shots ever is I get up.
Speaker B:My.
Speaker B:My buddy bought this offset club head driver.
Speaker B:So if you have this real.
Speaker B:If you have a really bad slice where it goes right hard, you can get an offset driver.
Speaker B:So, like, the head's a little tilted funny.
Speaker B:So it helps you get your club face straight.
Speaker B:So you're not doing that.
Speaker B:And I've never used one.
Speaker B:But he's like, dude, you got to try this.
Speaker B:Because I have a wicked slice when I hit the out of it.
Speaker B:Like, I rarely use a driver.
Speaker B:I don't let the big dog eat because that some eats some weird when I swing it.
Speaker B:So I rarely.
Speaker B:I normally tee off with a three wood because I can hit the living dog out of that.
Speaker B:And it's 99 of the time straight.
Speaker B:It's like my seven iron.
Speaker B:I trust my three wood.
Speaker B:What I don't trust is my driver.
Speaker B:But he's like, here, try this.
Speaker B:Offset some.
Speaker B:And I swung my nuts off, dude.
Speaker B:Like, I came out of my shoes.
Speaker B:I swung so hard because I ain't give this thing went straight as an arrow.
Speaker B:Freaking as far as I've ever hit it.
Speaker B:And I was like, celebrate.
Speaker B:And I'm the greatest.
Speaker B:This is the greatest thing ever, Matt.
Speaker B:I'm maybe 60 yards from the green.
Speaker B:I blade the living out of this ball, and it goes 80 yards past the green, 2 inches off the ground.
Speaker B:Worm burning its ass all the way down to the next hole.
Speaker B:I'm like, well, I didn't hit that ball.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Having not golfed on, like, a real course, I was just.
Speaker C:I forgot, like, how fast the greens can be.
Speaker C:I'm like, that ball did not hitting with a wedge I hadn't done that in.
Speaker C:So because I driver like 7 5, I didn't hit it in a wedge.
Speaker C:That's the.
Speaker C:What was the problem with the wedge of a long time?
Speaker C:Because I was close enough where I could do it.
Speaker C:Dude, you barely.
Speaker C:Barely have to touch that puppy.
Speaker C:That ring.
Speaker C:It shoots it out.
Speaker C:I hit it like somewhat of like a normal ish swing.
Speaker C:I was like, oh, I want to walk to go get that one.
Speaker B:That's what I look harder and go, hey, man, you're on the green.
Speaker B:Take your putter.
Speaker B:I gotta go get my ball and I get in the cart and drive over there.
Speaker B:Because that some is out there.
Speaker C:Yeah, it was.
Speaker C:It was something.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So is golf.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker B:One of the greatest shots I've ever seen was I took Casey golfing one time, and we went to this little nine hole, par three deal in in Roy.
Speaker B:And there's this hole that runs a bunch of backyards and houses and whatnot.
Speaker B:And so I always get worried about those holes.
Speaker B:Not for me on that one, because I don't hook.
Speaker B:I slice the out.
Speaker B:I don't hook left.
Speaker B:I go right every time almost.
Speaker B:But Casey, she'd never played golf before, really.
Speaker B:And so I didn't know where the.
Speaker B:The ball was gonna go when she was hitting it.
Speaker B:She gets up, stands up, smacks this thing, and it goes left.
Speaker B:And I'm like, oh, God.
Speaker B:Thinking window, being somebody's kid, somebody's dog, like.
Speaker B:And she hit it good.
Speaker B:So there's a few houses down.
Speaker B:Anyway, so we get in the car, we go driving down, and I'm like, I see this ball over here on the left on the fairway.
Speaker B:I'm like, what the.
Speaker B:I was like, that's not my ball.
Speaker B:I crush that in a way, right?
Speaker B:It's like, that's got to be.
Speaker B:What.
Speaker B:What is that?
Speaker B:So then I'm thinking, somebody else.
Speaker B:I was like, free ball.
Speaker B:So we drive over.
Speaker B:It's Casey's ball.
Speaker B:The guy's in the backyard, okay?
Speaker B:And I'm thinking, okay, he must have thrown it over.
Speaker B:He's like, I got to tell you something.
Speaker B:I'm like, oh, God, what did we break?
Speaker B:He goes, that was the craziest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker B:He goes, I'm sitting in my backyard on the back porch, and all of a sudden, I hear.
Speaker B:I hear the shot.
Speaker B:Then I see the ball.
Speaker B:It comes in in my yard, hits my trampoline.
Speaker B:He's got one of those trampolines that, like, embedded in the ground.
Speaker B:So it says, it hits my trampoline, bounces off, hits this tree, bounces over where it's sitting right now.
Speaker B:I'm like, sweet.
Speaker B:So there it was.
Speaker B:I was like, greatest golf shot I never saw.
Speaker B:Like, all I saw was swing and then got the story.
Speaker C:Tin cup hit it off a porta Potty.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker B:He's gonna hit it off the.
Speaker B:All right, should we rate it?
Speaker C:Let's do it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I'm gonna give this movie a three and a half.
Speaker B:Look, I love this movie.
Speaker B:I'll watch it anytime.
Speaker B:But it has its issues.
Speaker B:It's a little weird.
Speaker B:It's all over the place.
Speaker B:While I find it funny as it's.
Speaker B:Because it fits my personality perfect.
Speaker B:It's random, it's goofy, it's silly.
Speaker B:It's a little bit ridiculous, and I just have a good time watching it.
Speaker B:And it's about golf and.
Speaker B:And Cheech Marin cracks my up the whole time in this movie.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:But I'm gonna give it a three and a half.
Speaker B:I will watch this anytime, anywhere.
Speaker B:If anybody wants to sit and watch this movie and laugh at me while I laugh at it, game on.
Speaker B:That's the right way to do it.
Speaker B:So, yeah, three and a half.
Speaker C:For me, Matson, I will give this movie.
Speaker C:Give it a two and a half.
Speaker C:I think there's, like, this is a classic movie.
Speaker C:JJ Just said it.
Speaker C:If I was watching this with jj, I know I would laugh, and I know I would laugh more.
Speaker C:It's not that I.
Speaker C:Like, I didn't laugh during this.
Speaker C:It's just.
Speaker C:For whatever reason, Jay, I think this is just.
Speaker C:You watch this at a perfect time in your life, and you really enjoyed it.
Speaker C:Like, it's just not that for me, but we all have those movies.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I could rattle off many that I know other people were like.
Speaker C:Like, really?
Speaker C:And that's okay.
Speaker C:That's what the beauty of movies.
Speaker C:But it's like, this is like a horrible.
Speaker C:I mean, come on.
Speaker C:We've seen bad movies.
Speaker C:This isn't a bad movie.
Speaker C:It's just.
Speaker C:It's pacing.
Speaker C:Like Jay just said.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's just.
Speaker C:It's quirky, and some of the quirks work, but at times, you can find yourself just getting a little exhausted with it.
Speaker C:And that's.
Speaker C:That's kind of where I sit with it.
Speaker C:But would I watch it again if I was with Jay, I'd watch it for sure, because I think I'd be laughing a ton, and I'd laugh more because of that, but by myself.
Speaker C:And I like golf.
Speaker C:Like, the greatest sporting moment that I've ever been a part of.
Speaker C:I wish I was there in person for.
Speaker C:It is when Tiger came back and won his last major.
Speaker C:I mean, if I could have cried, I would have.
Speaker C:I really wanted to cry.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I was hoping for tears.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:My.
Speaker C:In the greatest athlete I've ever seen in my lifetime, Tiger Woods.
Speaker C:I love golf.
Speaker C:I grew up.
Speaker C:I still.
Speaker C:He gets me to watch TGL on a Tuesday night.
Speaker C:Like, why am I watching that?
Speaker C:Like, because freaking Tiger woods, dude.
Speaker C:He's the freaking G.
Speaker C:So I wanted to like this movie more than I liked it.
Speaker C:I didn't.
Speaker C:It's not a bad movie.
Speaker B:Like, it.
Speaker A:All right, Alec, I'm gonna give it a two.
Speaker B:Fair enough.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:Just give it a two.
Speaker B:Just giving it a two.
Speaker B:Everything else has been said.
Speaker A:No comment.
Speaker C:I mean, there's not much more.
Speaker C:Like, de.
Speaker C:Deepen, deeply analyze this movie.
Speaker C:They're.
Speaker C:They're.
Speaker C:This movie would laugh at you for trying.
Speaker C:Big.
Speaker C:Whoa.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This movie was made for pure entertainment purposes.
Speaker B:Nothing else.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:There was no hidden messages?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker B:In fact, if anything, it's a reversion of growth halfway through this movie.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:What's it.
Speaker C:Funny enough, we talk about defining moment quote, but it's like this movie wasn't really tried to make us believe that it was a defining moment.
Speaker C:Just him saying fu.
Speaker B:Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker B:Well, there it is.
Speaker B:You are welcome whether you like it or not.
Speaker B:Alec, tell everybody where they can find us.
Speaker A:Happy to so if you enjoyed week three of Kevin Kosher sports movies and hearing about JJ skinny dipping and Matson hitting the golf ball, you know, go ahead and leave us like in a comment.
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Speaker B:So stupid.
Speaker A:I hate this movie.
Speaker A:Anyways, with that I will kick it back to the King of Crash, the Sultan of Swing.
Speaker B:JJ thanks, Alec.
Speaker B:Next time you're in Utah, I'll take you golfing and we can see if we can get that tuning fork in your heart and your balls and everything will be good to go.
Speaker A:Oh, I.
Speaker A:I've hit a golf ball before.
Speaker A:It wasn't pretty.
Speaker B:It rarely is, my friend.
Speaker B:It rarely is.
Speaker B:All right, well, as always, we appreciate you tuning in.
Speaker B:We'll catch you on the next one.
