Edward Scissorhands (1990)
We contend that Edward Scissorhands chiefly illustrates mob mentality and the dynamics of victimhood. We explain that we struggle to like the film because many viewers misread its message and elevate it for the wrong reasons. We analyze the suburban satire, Johnny Depp’s physical performance, and how the town first embraces and then destroys the outsider. We emphasize the film’s increased relevance in the age of social media and echo chambers.
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Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:It was written and directed by Tim Burton.
Speaker A:It stars Johnny Depp, Winona Ryder, Diane West, Anthony Michael Hall, Kathy Baker, Robert Oliveri, Dick Anthony Williams, Olan Jones and Alan Arkin.
Speaker A:There's so many more are in this, but we don't have time.
Speaker A:But it's about an unfinished creation that leaves his isolated castle and enters a suburban world eager to embrace him.
Speaker A:Until his differences become impossible to ignore.
Speaker A:Begins.
Speaker A:The modern day fairy tale gradually becomes a story about loneliness and beauty.
Speaker A:God, that was a very in depth synopsis.
Speaker A:Without actually mentioning any characters.
Speaker B:Didn't tell us anything.
Speaker A:Or.
Speaker A:Yeah, told you everything and nothing all at once.
Speaker A:Sometimes I think we should just do a whole podcast on movie synopses and see like.
Speaker B:We should.
Speaker A:That'd be crazy because sometimes.
Speaker B:The worst ones.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Worse than the best.
Speaker A:Anywho, I'll go first this time, I suppose.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:And it's my turn.
Speaker A:My turn to get the ads.
Speaker A:I hate this movie.
Speaker A:Okay, I.
Speaker A:And here is this.
Speaker A:It's a conundrum for me.
Speaker A:Like it's quite the double edged sword because I love almost every actor in this movie.
Speaker A:Like Johnny Depp, Wynonna Ryder, even with her thieving ass hands.
Speaker A:Like I look cats.
Speaker A:I mean all of them.
Speaker A:Like I love every Alan Arkin.
Speaker A:We've talked about Alan Arkin at at length in this podcast.
Speaker A:And me, like I think he's one of the most underrated amazing actors ever.
Speaker A:There's just so many People in this movie.
Speaker A:And I'm like, I hate it.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:It just.
Speaker A:And I'm like, alec, last month, last week, I hate it because of how many people think it's one of the greatest movies ever made.
Speaker A:And I sit and watch it and go, how, how it does it?
Speaker A:Is it bad?
Speaker A:No, I don't think it's a bad movie, but it's certainly not, should not be in the discussion of IMDb's top 100 movies off.
Speaker A:The main character doesn't even say more than, like, five words.
Speaker A:And he's got scissors for hands.
Speaker A:Do we really have to go that far with our allegories at this point?
Speaker A: s we do, because Even back in: Speaker A:But, like, God damn, like, okay, you can relate to poor Edward Scissorhands because he's lonely and people don't like him.
Speaker A:Every goddamn junior high kid can hate to break it to you.
Speaker A:They just can.
Speaker B:This is why we need to bring back bullying,.
Speaker A:Dude.
Speaker A:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker A:That's all I'm saying.
Speaker A:It doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker A:Like, I don't know.
Speaker A:I, I, and I just don't, I don't like the movie.
Speaker A:Like, I don't hate it.
Speaker A:Like, I'm not, I don't hate the movie.
Speaker A:Right,.
Speaker B:You hate the people who love the movie.
Speaker A:Exactly, exactly.
Speaker A:My audio's still working.
Speaker A:It feels like it went out again.
Speaker A:Okay, good.
Speaker B:Now you're good.
Speaker B:See, now it's funny because I'm the exact opposite.
Speaker B:This is a meh for me.
Speaker B:And it's because this is Tim Burton's only Christmas movie that he's ever made.
Speaker B:And it just, it falls a little flat.
Speaker A:Fair.
Speaker B:And so, like, I watch it, I'm not engaged hardly ever.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, I think, like, the thing that gets me the funniest is like, because this is another one that my wife likes a lot that we watch fairly certainly.
Speaker B:But I spend most of my time trying to figure out what Johnny Depp is doing with his fingers.
Speaker A:Yeah,.
Speaker B:It look like the scissors are actually functioning.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Because I, when you look at it, it's like, okay, cool.
Speaker B:Scissors for hands.
Speaker B:Every finger is a pair of scissors.
Speaker B:But that's not right.
Speaker B:It's like these two are scissors, and.
Speaker A:These.
Speaker B:Two are scissors, but then these two are also scissors.
Speaker B:And so I'm always looking to see exactly how is he cutting.
Speaker B:And that's the most enjoyment I get out of this movie.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Is looking at, okay, how do they make this costume Work.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And go from there.
Speaker B:And then I think the overall, like the suburbia aspect of it makes me chuckle.
Speaker B:Like, I think this would have done really well, or I think I would have enjoyed maybe get out when we did get out better.
Speaker A:If.
Speaker B:It was this kind of suburbia weirdness.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Where they have this, you know, it's very much put in almost a little box of everybody goes to the same golf course at the same time on Saturday.
Speaker B:And everybody exact job and everybody's saying exact, you know, life and yard and everything.
Speaker B:So that kind of aspect of, oh, hey, you know, this is what, you know, Tim Burton's gonna portray suburban life as.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That cracks me up.
Speaker B:I think it's funny.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:So I get it.
Speaker B:More of a kick out of that.
Speaker B:And the fact that they take this outsider and like, oh, wait, you can trim hedges.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker B:Now you're going to trim all my hedges in these cool things.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then he.
Speaker B:So he creates all these, you know, real kind of, we'll call them social media s type things.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Because that was taking place this be all over social media.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:But it cracks me up because then they're absolutely ripping into him at the end of the movie because he goes through and takes back essentially what he gifted them.
Speaker B:Ready.
Speaker B:Goes through and cuts the hedges that he got.
Speaker B:I'm calling the police.
Speaker A:So there's little.
Speaker B:Parts like that that just crack me up.
Speaker B:Or the added bonus of the, you know, religious chick that is just absolutely on him from the beginning.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like all these little things that added in do make me chuckle, but they are.
Speaker B:It's like they're very flat tropes.
Speaker B:They're just tossed in to the mixing bowl to add in a little bit of seasoning.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But I swear, every single time, I almost gag at the ambrosia salad, just shoving it in.
Speaker B:Whoever came up with that stupid ass dish deserves to rot in hell.
Speaker A:Seriously.
Speaker A:Seriously.
Speaker B:And then just to put it all up in my screen like that.
Speaker B:You, Tim Burton.
Speaker A:I know, I know Tim Burton.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I. I don't know.
Speaker A:Here's the thing, Alec.
Speaker A:I want to love this movie.
Speaker A:I really do.
Speaker A:Because when I.
Speaker A:When I break it down again, I'll go back to being objective, remove some of my subjectivity.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's a relevant story at all times.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because one.
Speaker A: nk now even more than back in: Speaker A:Like, I mean, if you want to look, you're.
Speaker B:Gonna experience it for saying you hate this movie.
Speaker A:It's probably very True.
Speaker A:Probably very.
Speaker A:I mean, I have my whole life just so you know, like, because I, again, I was, I was nine years old when this movie came out.
Speaker A:And even as a nine year old I was like, I'm good.
Speaker A:Like, I, it just, it just was never.
Speaker A:I just didn't get it.
Speaker A:And, and it's not a.
Speaker A:And for those that are trying gonna be saying it's not a Tim Burton thing.
Speaker A:I think he's a weirdo, but he's a genius.
Speaker A:But I, There's a lot of Tim Burton I love.
Speaker A:Like,.
Speaker B:Oh, Sleepy Hollow is one of my favorite movies.
Speaker A:Amazing.
Speaker B:Alice in Wonderlands they did are good.
Speaker A:Yeah, I liked it.
Speaker A:I, I like Tim Burton.
Speaker B:Even that weird Charlie in the Chocolate Factory.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean you.
Speaker B:Also put in Beetlejuice,.
Speaker A:But that's where I was about to go.
Speaker A:I was like, beetlejuice is one of my favorite movies of all time.
Speaker A:Like, I still quote Beetlejuice on the regular.
Speaker A:So it's like, but this movie, I just think that like the character of Edward Scissorhands takes me out of the overarching piece of.
Speaker A:And I, Part of it's to what you were talking about.
Speaker A:Like, I get so obsessed with watching his hands that I miss out on half the movie.
Speaker A:And part of that's to Johnny Depp's credit because they never stop moving.
Speaker A:Ever.
Speaker B:Like,.
Speaker A:Ever.
Speaker A:Yeah, like, and so the physical, the physicality that Johnny Depp brings to this character is, is distracting from the movie.
Speaker A:And I think the theming of the movie is important and I think it's great.
Speaker A:I, I, we don't talk enough about how fast a whole community of people will turn on someone because something that they don't like happens or they say something they don't like or they do something that doesn't make sense to them.
Speaker A:Like, especially now.
Speaker A:Like, and like I said, it's even worse now, like, because everybody's got to be right and sorry if I hurt.
Speaker A:Actually I'm not sorry if I hurt anybody's feelings by saying this, but everybody feels like they need to be a victim.
Speaker A:And it's like here we're talking about an actual victim in every aspect of his life, right?
Speaker A:Created against his will.
Speaker A:Created in a very terrible way.
Speaker A:Like, not built, built out of passion and wanting to do something that you didn't think whether or not you should going back to Jurassic park, right?
Speaker A:And then Javier would be proud.
Speaker A:And then like, and then he gets stuck.
Speaker A:Like, and then he's lived on his own his whole life and then he comes out and he's like.
Speaker A:People are like, this is great.
Speaker A:He can trim my edges.
Speaker A:And he's weird and he's quirky.
Speaker A:We want to take care of him, which is always the case.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Something comes out, and it's.
Speaker A:It's poor, downtrodden Edward.
Speaker A:Let's take care of him.
Speaker A:Let's lift him up.
Speaker A:Let's make him feel better.
Speaker A:And then you reach a certain level of being elevated.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And someone takes care of you.
Speaker A:And then now it's time to break you back down.
Speaker A:We can't have you be better than us.
Speaker A:We can't have you be on the same level as us.
Speaker A:We have to break you back down.
Speaker A:So they do.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I think this is an.
Speaker A:An amazing example from a storytelling perspective of true victimhood and then the state of the mob mentality and how we always, as human beings, a lot of times our nature is to lift to a certain point, and then we go, oh, no, no, no.
Speaker A:But that puts you above me in my eyes.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And that can't happen.
Speaker A:So we knock him back down a peg, and then he ends up right back where he started, only within an understanding now of the world outside.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Well, there's also the added point in here, and it kind of gets glossed over, and I wish it wouldn't have.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But what I kind of pick up on is the fact that you take this guy who's, you know, great against his will, all this stuff been left up in the castle for who knows how long.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so they all treat him like he's an idiot, doesn't know any better.
Speaker B:And, you know, you start almost kind of believing it that way.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Then.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker B:Realize, no.
Speaker B:You know, before he was finished, like, his creator did an awful lot of working back and forth with him.
Speaker B:So this guy understands.
Speaker B:He just doesn't know how to interact socially.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker B:Only person he's ever interacted with died.
Speaker B:And so he knows right from wrong, but they're treating him like he doesn't.
Speaker B:And so they're almost molly.
Speaker B:Coddling him for this and, you know, dehumanizing them even more while trying or believing that they're helping them out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so you have that kind of.
Speaker B:And it's just kind of a little bit glossed over in favor of that, you know, mob mentality type of thing, which, again, all too frequently happens.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:I wish it was a little bit more prevalent, because then you might get people actually paying attention.
Speaker B:Just jump into, not, let's get him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so it's a.
Speaker B:It's it's again, like you said, the story's there.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:For me, I'm.
Speaker B:By the time we get around to it, I don't care anymore.
Speaker B:And I'm like, okay, cool, whatever.
Speaker B:And like, by the time we roll around to it, the police officer is my favorite character.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because he's the only person in cinema history who took a hysterical group of women and told them to calm down and got results.
Speaker B:Man's.
Speaker B:Man's.
Speaker B:Man's a goddamn hero.
Speaker A:Oh, here comes some more hats for Alec.
Speaker B:Never, never has that ever happened.
Speaker B:And we're talking cinema history as well.
Speaker B:There's, you know, anything can happen that's never happened.
Speaker B:But no, he just showed up, pulled up, calm down.
Speaker B:And they calmed down.
Speaker A:They calm down.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Goddamn hero.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker B:But so that's that.
Speaker B:By the time we get around to, like, the big reveal or where you should kind of feel stuff, I'm checked out now.
Speaker B:I don't care anymore.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's just.
Speaker B:It probably a me problem.
Speaker B:But I mean, I'm also very, very low maintenance when it comes to movies.
Speaker B:It does not take a lot to entertain me.
Speaker B:And if you lose me, you did something wrong.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker A:I. I think too, the other part that really.
Speaker A:And again, this movie's such a conundrum for me because if you hear me talk about the story and the actual, like, presentation of the movie, sounds like you.
Speaker B:Really like it.
Speaker A:Nothing but praise.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But I also can't stand it.
Speaker A:And I think it's because of the reactions around.
Speaker A:Again, like I said, it has nothing to do with the movie itself, per se.
Speaker A:There's a few things that it bothers me about, but the rest of it's like.
Speaker A:It's about how people view it.
Speaker A:And one of the things that drives me crazy.
Speaker A:So I have a friend who loves this movie, but we had a discussion years ago about it where he.
Speaker A:Because he was like, I can't believe you just.
Speaker A:He finally just lost his.
Speaker A:And it was like, I can't believe you don't like Edward Scissors Hands.
Speaker A:I'm like, dude, when you watch Edward Scissorhands, who do you.
Speaker A:Who do you put yourself in the shoes of Edward Scissorhands?
Speaker A:That's just who you're like, oh, I can relate to Edward Scissorhands.
Speaker A:And I'm like, no, I can't relate to Edward Scissorhands.
Speaker A:I can't.
Speaker A:I have.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Have I been on the outside looking in in my life?
Speaker A:Of course,.
Speaker B:Everybody has.
Speaker A:Not.
Speaker B:Extreme.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:Like, yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, and that's.
Speaker A:You know, this, as most movies are, that are trying to tell a story.
Speaker A:It's a caricature of reality, right?
Speaker A:Like, it's the extreme case, but everybody's in a situation when we're on the outside looking in.
Speaker A:But I've never looked at it as, like,.
Speaker B:Well, it was.
Speaker A:Gonna be.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, I've been like, all right, you don't want me to hang out.
Speaker A:You don't want me to be part of this.
Speaker A:I'll find something else or a different group or whatever.
Speaker A:Like, that's.
Speaker A:And I get.
Speaker A:Not everybody's like that.
Speaker A:Like, I. Thankfully, that's just been something where I'm like, oh, that stings a little.
Speaker A:But I don't.
Speaker A:I don't need that to complete my life, right?
Speaker A:Like, I'll move on and do something different.
Speaker A:So I've never understood, like, the whole feeling left out to that extent to where, again, I become the victim of some sort of, you know, mental issue that is created because I wasn't involved in something, right?
Speaker A:I'm like, hey, that would have been cool.
Speaker A:I'd have been interested to see how that played out.
Speaker A:But there's other things that will come in my life where I'm in the middle of it, right?
Speaker A:But I get.
Speaker A:I start every time I talk to someone, I.
Speaker A:And they absolutely adore this movie.
Speaker A:I'm like.
Speaker A:I asked them a question.
Speaker A:Who do you.
Speaker A:Who do you.
Speaker A:Who do you relate to in this movie?
Speaker A:And I'm like, there.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's always Edward Scissorhands, or it's always, why not a writer's character?
Speaker A:Depending on age.
Speaker A:It may be the mom.
Speaker A:It may be Diane west, and you know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, so.
Speaker A:Or Alan Arin.
Speaker A:Like, where they try.
Speaker A:And you try to lift someone up and you.
Speaker A:So I can relate to that, too.
Speaker A:But what I've never heard anyone say is the outside, right?
Speaker A:The people that like the shitty human beings.
Speaker A:And I'm like.
Speaker A:And I've been.
Speaker A:Though I own.
Speaker A:I try to be very own of my own mistakes and my.
Speaker A:Right, like, accountability is huge for me in life and in work and in every aspect of my being.
Speaker A:I try to take full accountability of my actions, and I wish everybody else would, too, because I think the world would be a better place if we did.
Speaker B:I don't have to.
Speaker B:I'm perfect.
Speaker A:That's exactly.
Speaker A:No, but I can rel.
Speaker A:Like, I've been on that outside, right, Where I'm like, oh, you.
Speaker A:I'm tearing this down.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like, I'm gonna burn this to the ground because I don't like it.
Speaker A:And I'm gonna rally as many people to my cause as I can and.
Speaker A:Or I'm gonna jump on this band.
Speaker A:I. I've been there.
Speaker A:I try not to.
Speaker A:I can say that I don't feel like it's been a lot of times, but that's what I never hear is anyone that thinks this movie is amazing, go, oh, but you know what?
Speaker A:I can see the side of the town, the shitty people in the town.
Speaker A:And it may not.
Speaker A:I mean, again, this is an extreme case.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Like, I'm not talking.
Speaker A:You're talking about taking pitchforks and goddamn torches and chasing somebody back up to a castle so that they're never.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:But that's.
Speaker B:That's the extreme.
Speaker B:But the gossiping on the phone.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:The talking, the tearing somebody down, the making the.
Speaker A:The cutting them out of your life because they said something that you didn't agree with or they have a.
Speaker A:You know, any number of things, like, you've been there, you've done that, but you refuse to acknowledge the fact that you can relate to those people.
Speaker A:In fact, we all spend more time story.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:In fact, it's probably the case most of us have probably spent more time as the townsfolk in this movie than we have Edward Scissorhands in reality.
Speaker A:But we always want to put ourselves in that.
Speaker A:Either I'm helping lift someone up or I'm the victim.
Speaker A:And I'm like.
Speaker A:And so I get pissed.
Speaker A:And it's not just this movie.
Speaker A:There's a ton of movies and stories and.
Speaker A:And where I'm like, nah, you're missing the point of this.
Speaker A:Like, all the points.
Speaker A:You're missing all the points, you know, or someone you're not seeing.
Speaker A:All the points is probably the better way to.
Speaker A:To say that grammatically.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway, so I get salty.
Speaker A:And this is an extreme situ case for me is this movie where I'm like, there are so many good things about the story and good points if you look at them from all sides.
Speaker A:But we always only.
Speaker A:Only look at it from 1:1.
Speaker B:And the side that makes you look the most noble.
Speaker A:Yeah,.
Speaker B:It was interesting to me because you were talking about the fact that, you know, you wouldn't ever necessarily be put in a situation because you just be like, well, you losers.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's like.
Speaker B:And I was thinking about.
Speaker B:I was like, I'm the same way, but I wasn't always like, as a kid, this type of thing would have devastated me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Type of a thing.
Speaker B:I feel like it's one of those learned things that you grow and as you grow you start realizing what's more important and it's not necessarily having approval from people you're never going to meet or.
Speaker B:Or don't want to be around.
Speaker B:I think Dr. Seuss or I'm gonna pull Dr. Seuss out of the hat.
Speaker B:The people who mind don't matter and the people who matter don't mind.
Speaker B:And so it's that kind of attitude.
Speaker B:But when you were talking about I was like, I bet the people who really kind of stick to this are ones that never kind of put that behind them.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:They keep it around as you know, their five year old self was excluded from a birthday party.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Everybody's had that at some point.
Speaker B:But you just kind of like cool, I haven't talked to that person I was excluded from birthday wise in the last 15 years or whatever.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like past grammar school or high school.
Speaker B:Like I've never seen them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like how many people you keep in contact with after high school?
Speaker B:My number is zero.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like there's people who do keep up and I, you know, I was added to the stupid 10 year reunion a little while ago.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so, you know there's people like oh yeah, no, I still know so and so this, that and get catch up.
Speaker B:And I was like can I get out of this group?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like the person that I have now.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:My wife.
Speaker B:And then there's a couple people that I like talk to outside of that.
Speaker B:But there's nobody from high school.
Speaker B:And I don't think I'd even recognize the people that I used to hang out with in high school.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:If I saw them now, I'd walk right by him.
Speaker B:Not really they're there but.
Speaker B:But that's just because it's like okay, cool.
Speaker B:Like when I was in high school where I was in grade school, like these things did to kind of matter.
Speaker B:You know, I wanted to be included and stuff like that.
Speaker B:If I wasn't included, it hurt a little bit more.
Speaker B:Versus now I'm very much the.
Speaker B:You okay?
Speaker B:Oh, you're not gonna, you know, type of a thing.
Speaker B:It's more of a like I prefer you don't invite me to lunch.
Speaker B:Thank you very much.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:For you to leave me the alone.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But when you're talking about it's like okay, this probably people that haven't necessarily let that go.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker B:Still internalize.
Speaker B:They keep it close is I wasn't invited.
Speaker B:Nobody liked me when I was a kid.
Speaker B:And because of that, it's.
Speaker B:I'm Edwards his hands indefinitely.
Speaker B:Instead of using kind of the natural growth and being like, I don't need to be accepted by people who clearly don't want me, I will go find that group of people that do want me.
Speaker B:Or better yet, I'll just create my own group.
Speaker B:And you, you know,.
Speaker A:100%.
Speaker B:Anybody else in there.
Speaker B:And so it's.
Speaker B:It almost is like they either don't realize that's an option or they don't want that because it is kind of scary the first time.
Speaker B:You have to be like, okay, cool, whatever.
Speaker A:And it's hard.
Speaker B:It's hard because you have this kind of thing where you really gotta.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's a lot of kind of self.
Speaker B:You know, finding yourself self confidence boosting and realizing that, hey, you know what?
Speaker B:I. I'm enough for the people that I choose to be around.
Speaker B:If they don't want me around, then I'll go find someone else.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:But it's.
Speaker B:It's almost like the, you know, taking the look before you leave, now you just gotta go.
Speaker B:Just gotta go jump.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so when you're talking about it, that's kind of what popped in my house.
Speaker B:Like, I bet you they have a lot of internal stuff.
Speaker A:Oh, sure.
Speaker B:That they're continuing to live through every day instead of just dropping it, letting it go and starting to figure out, you know, where they want to be or who they want to be with or who they want to be in their life.
Speaker B:And it's that, you know, almost consistent or constant victimhood.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I'm always a victim, so nothing will ever be my fault.
Speaker B:Or I can blame everything that's ever had happened to me on this one time when I was 4 years old.
Speaker B:And they've got like the.
Speaker B:The flow charts and the string.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The red strings connect to every bad thing in their life.
Speaker B:It's like.
Speaker B:Or you could just, you know, rub some dirt in it.
Speaker B:Man up and.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:What you want to do as a goddamn adult.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker A:Listen, like, I don't want to sit here and say that doesn't get hard.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like everybody.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Everybody's got that they go through that's tough and sticks with you and you remember it.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I'm not like, yeah, I mean, I am judging 100 but like, I'm not.
Speaker A:I'm also not here to sit here and tell you how to live your life.
Speaker A:Like, I And here's the best part about it, is it fits.
Speaker A:The theme is, I don't care like.
Speaker B:You do you, boo boo.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'll about it and make, you know, and point out something on a podcast.
Speaker A:But I'm just some dude doing a podcast about movies.
Speaker A:Like, I one.
Speaker B:After.
Speaker B:If you come after jj, you're the problem.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:It's just like, here's the crazy part.
Speaker A:Like, you people come out.
Speaker A:Like, we've had people get after us pretty hard on the podcast, and I usually will be like, alec, get them.
Speaker A:Because I don't.
Speaker A:And Javier used to do say he's like, dude, Javier Matson used to do it because he's like, he thought it was entertaining.
Speaker A:Because when I do cut loose, I can be kind of a dick.
Speaker A:And Daisy's back there saying, hi, if everybody can hear, but I can be a dick if I get that mode turned on.
Speaker A:So Edson always wanted to turn it on.
Speaker A:Javier was always just like, get him.
Speaker A:Because I'm pissed that I didn't like to be called out, and I'm just sitting there going, shit's kind of funny.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, I.
Speaker A:One, thanks for listening.
Speaker A:Two, thanks for finding some passion about what we said, whether you hate it or like it, because at the end of the day, I don't care.
Speaker A:Like, if you listen to a podcast, I appreciate it and I love you for it.
Speaker A:If you hate it, I appreciate you and love you for it.
Speaker A:Because at the end of the day, I'm gonna keep doing it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It goes back to motivation.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, neither one of us are really doing this to as.
Speaker B:As our backup plan.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:This isn't necessarily a plan B.
Speaker B:This isn't what we're wanting to do full time.
Speaker B:I think we would both hate it if we had to.
Speaker A:Oh, God.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:This is something where we can have some fun.
Speaker B:This is my social interaction.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Outside.
Speaker B:Of, like, my.
Speaker B:My wife, this.
Speaker B:You're the only person I really talk to that without.
Speaker B:I want to talk to and have conversations with.
Speaker B:So the podcast is perfect.
Speaker B:But if it ever became like, an actual, like, oh, you know, hey, we got to put out X amount of hours of content, things like that.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:I know I would.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker B:We both hate it because it takes the fun out of it.
Speaker B:And right now, like, you and I are able to, you know, have fun.
Speaker B:Oh, go get him and do all that because it's fun.
Speaker B:But if it ever became like we were reliant on the algorithm, different thing.
Speaker B:Because then we need that positive uplift for the share.
Speaker B:We'd be going over this and that and really diving into it then.
Speaker B:Whereas now it's a little bit like someone comes at like hahaha, you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Not that serious.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:We appreciate your input, but we also don't give a damn.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:There's very few people when it comes to the podcast that I'm like, I listen like Charles because he's committed.
Speaker A:We did you a lot when you.
Speaker A:Before you were part of the podcast, when you were just a listener and you were posting and commenting and like we love that.
Speaker A:And we would listen because you were committed one way or another.
Speaker B:Yeah,.
Speaker A:You were committed.
Speaker A:And so I'm good with that.
Speaker A:Like, and we'll.
Speaker A:I read.
Speaker A:But I guess it's just like for me, like, and coming back to Edward Scissorhands and like how it all plays out.
Speaker A:Like I said, I think it's a, it's a very valid story.
Speaker A:But again, like, we care too much about what other people think and our world is built that way.
Speaker A:Like it's designed that way because those that speak the most want it that way because they, it makes them feel important.
Speaker A:Like I'm influencing.
Speaker A:And that's, that's why I love.
Speaker A:It's always that we call like.
Speaker A:Like we've been doing this for six years.
Speaker A:I've been doing this for six years.
Speaker A:I think there's like three episodes in our 600 episodes that I've missed and.
Speaker B:Yeah,.
Speaker A:Three to five at most.
Speaker A:Like I can count on one hand literally how many I've missed in a week on a weekly basis for the last six years.
Speaker A:I've done these from hotels.
Speaker A:I've done it.
Speaker A:We've pre.
Speaker A:Done these so that I could go on vacations.
Speaker A:Like, and you're the same the last what, three years now.
Speaker A:Like it's.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:It's almost four.
Speaker A:Is it almost four?
Speaker A:It's crazy.
Speaker A:And I, I would never call myself an influencer.
Speaker B:No, absolutely not.
Speaker A:I don't even call myself a content creator.
Speaker B:Nope.
Speaker A:I'm just some dude that talks about movies once a week.
Speaker A:Like that's it.
Speaker A:And, and interacts with some people here.
Speaker A:Like, I'm not trying to influence anybody who influenced somebody.
Speaker B:Sometimes the movie is kind of with the last couple weeks and beforehand.
Speaker B:Sometimes a movie is like the smallest part of the pocket.
Speaker B:So we talk about whatever we want to talk about, but it's, it's just the fact that it's something that we do for fun.
Speaker A:Yeah,.
Speaker B:That's what it boils down to.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:No influencing going on.
Speaker A:And I love that people like, oh, I'm an influencer.
Speaker A:I'm a social media influencer.
Speaker A:No, you're somebody.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker A:Yeah, I know.
Speaker A:I'm like, you post on videos and try to make yourself feel important, and I respect it.
Speaker A:Go make your money.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I love, like, when people tell me that they're doing, like, I. I also do a side hustle on whatnot.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And I see people get really successful on the whatnot, or I see people doing crazy on Instagram and you're making a ton ofmoney on YouTube.
Speaker A:Whatever it is, get it.
Speaker A:That's amazing and I'm glad you find it.
Speaker A:But I really wish people would, like, take a step back and go, I'm not an influencer.
Speaker A:I'm just someone that has an opinion.
Speaker A:And if you get something from that opinion or the facts that I may share before I share in the midst of my sharing my opinion about those facts, because they're two different things, people anyway, that's a whole different conversation.
Speaker A:But the fact that, like, we're trying to persuade people on things have no business trying to persuade.
Speaker A:Like, that's what I also get.
Speaker A:I get funny.
Speaker A:Like, we'll give our opinion about a movie, and especially when we were doing it with new movies, like, early on the first couple years, and we were like, you should go see this.
Speaker A:You shouldn't go see it.
Speaker A:I like, if someone came back, I went and saw it and it sucked.
Speaker A:Like, my bad, dude.
Speaker A:But I loved it.
Speaker A:That was just my opinion.
Speaker B:That's a you problem.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Next time, if we ever do that, revisit this movie, we'll have you back on and you can share your opinion on why you hated it.
Speaker A:But you, you know, I. I was just telling you my opinion, so take it for a grain of salt.
Speaker A:And like, this whole movie to me is like, such a great allegory for the state of our world now.
Speaker A:I think it's more relevant now.
Speaker A:I think I've said it twice now.
Speaker A: evant now than it was even in: Speaker A:And I think part of the reason it has such a cult following and everyone loves it so much is because we do relate to it.
Speaker A:Because we have all been on in Edward Scissors Hands, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:At one.
Speaker A:Point or at one point or another.
Speaker A:But I think where all of us, including myself, go wrong with allegories or stories that, you know, teach a lesson is that we tend to focus on one aspect that we can relate to the most and that it's okay.
Speaker A:To relate to.
Speaker B:Relate to.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:That it's safe to relate to.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But if you can start to relate.
Speaker A:And here's my life lesson for the world based on the full.
Speaker A:If I had back when I wore a tie, I used to flip it over my shoulder and say the philosophy of JJ at this point.
Speaker A:Because again, it's an opinion.
Speaker A:There's no fact or scientific evidence around this.
Speaker A:But I fully believe that if we would start to look at all of ourselves and put ourselves in the position good, bad and ugly, that the world would start to write itself when it comes to human to human interaction.
Speaker A:Because if you can relate on all the shitty sides as well as the good side and everything in between, then you can find common ground with your fellow people.
Speaker A:And if you can find common ground, at least in my experience, then you can have a functional relationship that's not shitty.
Speaker A:You can have your own opinions, you can have disagreements, you can have agreements.
Speaker A:And they all are functional versus we.
Speaker A:We thrive right now on not finding any common ground and then making it an argument.
Speaker A:And then we have this hate for a person that you don't even know most of the time.
Speaker A:Or you destroy a relationship with someone that you had a great friendship or beyond because you can't see from their side of something that makes no sense to me.
Speaker B:Well, it gets even worse.
Speaker B:I see.
Speaker B:I know what you're saying.
Speaker B:I agree with what you're saying.
Speaker B:I don't think it's ever going to happen.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:Because of the scale that we're at right now with social media and worldwide communication.
Speaker A:100%.
Speaker B:Because like if we, if we dumb back down that we're scissors hands.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It's one neighborhood in suburban.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's all that he's interacting with.
Speaker B:Given enough time.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And you could weasel everybody in.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But at the scale that we have with the human interaction, it's never going to happen because you just find your own echo chamber.
Speaker B:That's all social media is a bunch of echo chambers.
Speaker B:And you get kind of put into whatever, you know, your algorithm decides.
Speaker B:You get locked in on that.
Speaker B:Now you're only surrounded by people who think the same way you do,.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker B:You're perfect and whoever doesn't agree with you is wrong and that you guys are the majority.
Speaker B:And it could be just five people sitting in a room going where we are, you know, the, the majority because we're all ever here is stuff that I agree with.
Speaker B:So clearly I'm in the majority of it.
Speaker B:Everybody else is wrong.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you Just circle around your own little echo chamber, never bothering to see something different or get told something different because it's uncomfortable.
Speaker B:I mean, it sucks.
Speaker B:Like, I know you've had it.
Speaker B:I've had it too, but coaches tell you shit you do not want to hear all the time.
Speaker B:That's the job.
Speaker B:It's constructive feedback.
Speaker B:And if it's uncomfortable to hear it, because they're essentially telling you, hey, guess what?
Speaker B:You suck at what you're doing.
Speaker A:Nope,.
Speaker B:You need to change what you're doing.
Speaker B:If you do A, B, C, D, most of which is hard, you're gonna get better.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:So that's uncomfortable to hear versus, oh, hey, don't change anything.
Speaker B:You're doing okay.
Speaker B:You can't hit a free throw, but that's okay.
Speaker B:We'll just feed you on the block.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Instead of the, hey, you suck at free throws, we're gonna have you shoot 100 free throws before you leave practicing.
Speaker B:Like, that sucks.
Speaker B:That sucks.
Speaker B:Especially you have to make 100 free throws.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Hated that coach, but.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah,.
Speaker B:But it's the correct response versus a coach that says, hey, no, don't worry about it.
Speaker A:Yeah,.
Speaker B:You're doing okay.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Type of thing.
Speaker B:So,.
Speaker A:Yeah,.
Speaker B:Now, I mean, it's uncomfortable to hear that.
Speaker B:Why would I go search that out when I can just sit in my own little echo chamber and hear everything that I agree with and nothing ever makes me uncomfortable because I just focus on it.
Speaker B:And then it just hyper circulates back around and back around and background.
Speaker B:And then you get these divides where it's like, just get off social media.
Speaker B:That's the best option for you.
Speaker B:Just go actually talk to people.
Speaker A:You know, I had this thought while you were talking there because you made such a good point about the whole.
Speaker A:So here's a thought experiment for us as we wrap up this episode.
Speaker A:If they were to remake Edward Scissorhands today, because if you look at the structure of it, Edward Scissorhands, the.
Speaker A:The main character, right?
Speaker A:And then you have Wynonna Ryder's family, who are.
Speaker A:So he's the hero.
Speaker A:They're like the side hero.
Speaker A:And then the town as it starts to devolve into fear and fear mongering and the, you know, things are different.
Speaker A:So we're going to chase it off, become the villain.
Speaker A:And there's like the central pieces, right?
Speaker A:Like, what's his face?
Speaker A:Oh, I can't think of his name now.
Speaker A:Anthony Michael Hall.
Speaker A:Like that.
Speaker A:There's your main, like, instigator, right?
Speaker A:And Then everybody kind of follows suit.
Speaker A: s, but take it and put it in: Speaker A:How quickly.
Speaker A:And I don't.
Speaker A:And I don't think they'd make this movie, right?
Speaker A:Because then people would be pissed and salty because you can't help but relate.
Speaker A:But here's how I would see Edward Scissorhands playing out today.
Speaker A:Edward comes down, everything goes the way that it does, and then the town starts to turn on him.
Speaker A:And then to your point, the social media gang, who the.
Speaker A:The Virtue Signalers.
Speaker A:And you know, you can't anybody that is looking at someone else as a victim.
Speaker A:So Edward Scissorhands is the victim.
Speaker A:Then it becomes, well, we become the bully.
Speaker A:That's the crazy part, right?
Speaker A:Like, so now it would be how we have Wynonna Ryder's family and they reach out and they build up their crew of like, well, we have to save Edward at Scissors Scissorhands and come in and it's like this one side against the other, right?
Speaker A:Like, trying to.
Speaker A:And now Edward Scissorhands sitting there going, this isn't what I want.
Speaker A:Like, I just.
Speaker A:I just wanted to be alone, people, right?
Speaker A:And I wanted to have, like,.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker A:Be isolated.
Speaker A:And now there's this big, giant battle going on between two people that at the end of the day, he knows, like, six of them.
Speaker B:Yeah,.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Isn't it wild?
Speaker A:Like, because that's how I see that going.
Speaker A:Like, and now there's like, who's actually the villain?
Speaker A:Oh, there is no such thing.
Speaker A:Like, there's just some dude that everybody's using an excuse to be shitty to each other because of the way that he was or wasn't treated.
Speaker B:Here's how I would do it, because I would have that moment where the townspeople turn on him,.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:You have the social media goons come in and defend him.
Speaker B:Then Edward ends up killing somebody after they let him stay.
Speaker B:Now who's the problem?
Speaker A:It's true,.
Speaker B:Because the townspeople unfairly judging him over based off of one or two things that they heard through the grapevine, right?
Speaker B:But at the end of the day, he is dangerous because he killed someone.
Speaker B:So you jumped the gun.
Speaker B:But at the end of the day, your actions would have prevented that death.
Speaker B:And now it becomes that,.
Speaker A:Well,.
Speaker B:Who's the victim now?
Speaker A:Yeah, cyclical conversation there.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or secretly Edward Scissorhands is a serial killer the whole time.
Speaker A:Yeah, something like that.
Speaker B:But you have it now, because in today's day and age, right, Even if you have a chance or an opportunity to change your viewpoint, you don't.
Speaker B:You dig in harder.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then you look even dumber.
Speaker B:But you can't, because you can't be wrong.
Speaker B:And you touched on this before is.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:You can't now be wrong and say, oh, you know what?
Speaker B:Hey, change my mind.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's like, no.
Speaker B:Because then people jump in.
Speaker B:We tried to tell you this.
Speaker B:We try.
Speaker A:To tell.
Speaker B:You that someone.
Speaker B:Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:And so instead you just dig in.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:And you start just saying, okay, cool.
Speaker B:I. I made my choice.
Speaker B:This is how I'm gonna.
Speaker B:And I'm gonna reach for whatever I can that is anywhere close enough to make it work.
Speaker B:Kind of like, you know, trying to shove Edward Scissorhands into the Halloween or Christmas movie.
Speaker B:There's a little bit in there that I was like, you know what?
Speaker B:I can make that work.
Speaker B:Bam.
Speaker A:Hilarious.
Speaker A:Hilarious.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker A:Speaking of Halloween or Christmas, Alec.
Speaker B:Christmas movie.
Speaker B:It's only Christmas movie Tim Burton's ever made.
Speaker A:Hey, you.
Speaker B:Come on, Frankenweenie.
Speaker B:Course Bride, Beetlejuice, Nightmare.
Speaker A:Before Christmas.
Speaker A:God, I have a hard time putting this in either one of those buckets because I feel like if I put it in Christmas, it's because it takes place during the.
Speaker B:For me, it was a little bit of the spirit of Christmas.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:You're right.
Speaker A:I'll say Christmas.
Speaker A:Because if I'm gonna argue that Nightmare Before Christmas is a Christmas movie, then this one is under the same vein, kind of.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:In my mind, this and the Grinch live in the same.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, it's pretty much the same story, just not focused on Christmas.
Speaker A:It's socialism or social interaction in general.
Speaker A:Not socialism.
Speaker B:Socialism works too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Tony started.
Speaker A:Somebody said that to me the other day, and I was like, you don't even know the definition of the word because you just said it the way that you said it.
Speaker A:Hate that.
Speaker A:I believe in socialism.
Speaker A:You believe in a functionality of freaking an economy, because that's what you're talking about.
Speaker A:That's what socialism.
Speaker A:Anyway, we gotta stop because I'll just lose my mind.
Speaker A:I get so tired of everybody's.
Speaker A:Well, we should have a socialist government.
Speaker A:That's not what I. Anywho, with that, let's rate this thing.
Speaker A:God damn it.
Speaker A:I don't know what to give it.
Speaker A:I'm gonna be safe and I'm gonna give it a three.
Speaker A:And I say this because again, I love the theming of this movie, but I hate that people love this movie because they miss the point most of the time, in my opinion.
Speaker A:That's again my opinion based on conversations.
Speaker A:That's not me saying that's the aggregate this time.
Speaker A:That is literally based on the people that interact with.
Speaker A:Which is a lot when it comes to movies, but the people that just latch onto this movie and love it.
Speaker A:I'm like, you don't even get it.
Speaker A:Like from a certain most perspectives.
Speaker A:I think there was a lot more people back when it first came out that did and now people.
Speaker A:I don't think anybody fully gets it.
Speaker A:They just go.
Speaker A:I love Edward Scissorhands because he's the victim and I feel for him and we must live him, lift him up.
Speaker A:And he's an outsider.
Speaker A:And I'm like, we're all outsiders.
Speaker A:That's the part that we miss.
Speaker A:And so I don't like that this movie gets misinterpreted because at the end of the day it is really good writing and it's phenomenal acting like some of the best I think that there is.
Speaker A:So it's really a conundrum for me to give it a three because on paper I want to give it like a four and a half five but I just can't because I just, I think it misses.
Speaker A:It's got this love and this adoration and yet it's missed for the wrong reasons.
Speaker A:And I, I hate that and it drives me crazy.
Speaker A:So it's a personal thing.
Speaker A:It's not a knock on the movie or the making of the movie or even the writing of the movie.
Speaker A:It's a.
Speaker A:This movie is too good for us type thing if, if maybe is the best way to explain it.
Speaker A:So I can't give it a full on but I also think to add on to that and the real reason I'm giving it a three is because while I do think it's the, it's.
Speaker A:It's the movie we need, not the movie we deserve.
Speaker A:I think it also in the right hands.
Speaker A:Steven Spielberg A.
Speaker B:I like to see Martin Scorsese do it.
Speaker A:He's another one I think is overrated, but whatever.
Speaker A:But I, I think there's a few movie, a few filmmakers that could have taken this and, and if you remove the Tim Burton out of it, I think maybe it would have been differently received.
Speaker A:But then I also wonder is it even the same movie at that point?
Speaker A:So I just don't know.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Tim Burton's Tim Burton and it is what it is.
Speaker A:But I. I just have fundamental issues with it across the board.
Speaker A:But I won't dick it from a score perspective on here because of that more than I already did.
Speaker A:So three for me.
Speaker B:Give it two and a half.
Speaker B:Middle of the road, hear me talk about it.
Speaker B:You might think I'd give it higher, but that would admit me being wrong, which I will never do.
Speaker B:No, the.
Speaker B:The movie itself is just mediocre in my mind.
Speaker B:I cannot get into it.
Speaker B:I sit there and I'm watching his hands go and die, Johnny Depp's fingers go.
Speaker B:And I get too distracted too easily pay attention to things that do not matter because the.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's one of those things where you kind of talked about it like it's the movie we don't need or deserve and not the moment that we need or whatever.
Speaker B:But it just.
Speaker B:It's one of those things where I watch it and it doesn't pull me in enough to actually get that.
Speaker B:I have to actually go through and say, okay, I got a podcast on this movie.
Speaker B:Let's see, what can I talk about?
Speaker B:And so I have to.
Speaker A:Make.
Speaker B:The conscious decision to go in and do it.
Speaker B:And there's nothing that pulls me in that then makes me want to go deeper into it.
Speaker A:Yeah,.
Speaker B:That's the real kind of problem with it is.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:The movies you've used this before is water skimming.
Speaker A:It's a.
Speaker B:Skimmer.
Speaker B:And there it's missing that thing.
Speaker B:I think maybe this was something that you were trying to.
Speaker B:Or trying to allude to with your Spielberg stuff is, you know, if a different director takes it over, do they have the ability to pull you in to then now you want to.
Speaker B:You want more.
Speaker B:You want to go looking for it versus this.
Speaker B:You know, I actually have to make a conscious effort to go into Tim Burton movie, watch it, pay attention, find something to talk about, look at it from a different angle.
Speaker B:And I'm the one who's doing all the work, which is.
Speaker B:We both know I'm a lazy, sunk bitch and I want to do all that.
Speaker B:And so I need to have something that pulls me in first.
Speaker B:And then once I'm there, it's, oh, hey, what's this?
Speaker B:Let's look at that.
Speaker B:Let's take this a different way.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so for me, it's that water skimmer middle of the road.
Speaker B:Like it's there.
Speaker B:Sure, cool, whatever.
Speaker B:But same time.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I have the same feeling.
Speaker B:People love this move.
Speaker B:Like you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:As simple as that.
Speaker B:You're wrong.
Speaker B:We just spent an hour talking about there is no right or wrong or this.
Speaker A:Yeah,.
Speaker B:You're wrong.
Speaker A:You're wrong.
Speaker A:Hey, we didn't say live like we do.
Speaker A:We just said here's how we should live.
Speaker B:As I say now.
Speaker B:As I do.
Speaker A:Exactly, exactly.
Speaker B:But yeah, so for me, two and a half.
Speaker B:I know I will watch it again because it's one of those that my wife absolutely adores, but this is one that I can usually get out of because it's very hard to put into that Christmas or Halloween box.
Speaker B:So,.
Speaker A:Yeah, it.
Speaker B:Doesn't really come up as frequently as last week's movie, which is fair.
Speaker A:Enough,.
Speaker B:Several times.
Speaker B:But yeah, so two and a half for me.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, I. I want to like it more.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:And I'll say I will probably.
Speaker A:Again, this is another one.
Speaker A:I probably didn't watch it in over a decade at least.
Speaker A:And I'll probably go at least another decade before I watch it again.
Speaker A:I. Yeah, anyway, okay, well, there it is.
Speaker A:We're.
Speaker A:There's two weeks.
Speaker A:We're probably getting a lot of hate on this.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker A:I'm just gonna say it'll be.
Speaker B:Aggression.
Speaker A:Yeah, but before then, Alec, till they can find us when we're not dodging and weaving or cutting some bushes.
Speaker B:Oh, don't ever ask me to trim a hedge.
Speaker B:It will not turn out pretty.
Speaker B:I'll just cut the whole hedge out.
Speaker A:There you go,.
Speaker B:Problem solving.
Speaker B:Duck.
Speaker A:That fucker right out of the ground.
Speaker A:I'm with you.
Speaker B:You don't gotta trim a hedge if there is no hedge.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:More life tips upcoming.
Speaker B:But best place to find us is on YouTube where you see our smiling faces as we talk about movies that we both feel like.
Speaker B:But again, for the theme of this month, Halloween movie, Christmas movie, or both.
Speaker B:Both is wrong.
Speaker B:Halloween movie is wrong.
Speaker B:This week it's a Christmas movie.
Speaker B:But I am interested to see if anybody has the same feeling.
Speaker B:Or if you're like, cop out.
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Speaker A:We'll get Rosemary's Baby done at some point.
Speaker B:I can take the blame on that one.
Speaker B:But with that one last time W GG because it is almost Christmas time, go get your Christmas gifts early.
Speaker B:Get them something that they're probably not going to enjoy but they're going to feel good about.
Speaker B:And WG what's our verdict or 10 off the code?
Speaker B:Our verdict.
Speaker B:Go get your stuff and get your Christmas shopping knocked out early.
Speaker A:With.
Speaker B:That I'll kick it back to the Keena Crash, the Maharaja of Mash a J.J.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:Oh man, that was funny.
Speaker A:Appreciate you brother for letting everybody know.
Speaker A:And then as always, we appreciate everybody here listening in for tuning in and we'll catch you on the next one.
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