Nocturnal Animals (2016)
This podcast episode delves into the intricacies of the film "Nocturnal Animals," a cinematic exploration that intertwines themes of revenge, regret, and the haunting nature of artistic expression. We grapple with our initial reactions to the film's provocative opening, which sets an unsettling tone that persists throughout the narrative. The discussion navigates the layered storytelling and character development, particularly focusing on the emotional turmoil experienced by the protagonist, portrayed by Amy Adams, as she confronts her past through the lens of her ex-husband's novel. Our analysis extends to the film's visual symbolism and its impact on the audience, raising questions about the nature of revenge and the psychological effects of unresolved trauma. Ultimately, we reflect on the film's profound ability to evoke discomfort and stimulate introspection, marking it as a remarkable yet challenging cinematic experience.
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I was not prepared.
Speaker A:At 6:30 in the morning, half asleep, groggy, just sitting on the couch and.
Speaker B:Big old two and a half minutes of nothing but big old naked women.
Speaker A:I was sitting there going, why?
Speaker A:Why jj?
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker B:Welcome to the what's a Verdict podcast.
Speaker B:We fashion ourselves cinematic judge and Jerry.
Speaker B:My name is J.J. crowder.
Speaker B:I'm here with my co host Alec Burch.
Speaker A:Us.
Speaker A:Let's get it.
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Speaker B:Go ahead, tell your friends, family members about us.
Speaker B:Normally I tell you to tell somebody that's related, but I don't think I want you to tell anybody related to this movie about us.
Speaker A:Don't tell your friends or family about us with this episode either.
Speaker A:Like skip ahead a week or skip back three weeks.
Speaker B:Yeah, this one.
Speaker B:This one might be a little.
Speaker B:This might get a little weird.
Speaker A:Gonna get really weird.
Speaker B:It's probably not a good first impression episode.
Speaker B:But if you're feeling frisky, go ahead and tell an art gallery person about us.
Speaker B:Maybe a novelist that's out for revenge.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:You got choices.
Speaker B:But yeah, we're on the final week, week four of Amy Adams August and yet another movie chosen.
Speaker B:This one wasn't quite fully chosen to mess with Matson.
Speaker B:There's other reasons behind the choice on this, but it, it certainly was a byproduct and a piece I was looking forward to.
Speaker B:So once again, Matson's new house, even though I'm sure he loves it, and the fact that he had to move because he's missing out on a very well plotted movie to make him hate it.
Speaker B:And I don't know which one he would have hated worse last week.
Speaker B:So this week's.
Speaker A:But we were going four for four.
Speaker A:Yeah, we were gonna get him zeros.
Speaker A:It's true.
Speaker A:He missed all of them.
Speaker B:It's true.
Speaker B:It's true.
Speaker B:So without further ado, we are reviewing Nocturnal Animals.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:It was written by Tom Ford and Austin Wright and it was directed by Tom Ford.
Speaker B:It stars Amy Adams, Jake Gyllenhaal, Michael Shannon, Aaron Taylor Johnson, Isla Fisher, Ellie Bamber, Armie Hammer, Carl Glusman, Robert Aramayo, Laura Linney.
Speaker B:It keeps going.
Speaker B:Andrew Riseborough, Michael Sheen and Imogen Waterhouse.
Speaker B:It's about a wealthy art gallery owner who's haunted by her expos?
Speaker B:Husband's novel, her Memories of their relationship and regrets about their life.
Speaker B:Now that's a synopsis right there.
Speaker B:Nocturnal animals.
Speaker B:Sorry, Alec.
Speaker B:I picked.
Speaker B:Look, I'll pick this one for two reasons.
Speaker B:One, I've already talked about it.
Speaker B:To fuck with Madsen, because I knew he would hate it.
Speaker B:Two, this movie got me the first time I watched it.
Speaker B:Like, I watched it because everybody was talking about it and I'm like, it can't be that good.
Speaker B:Then I watched it and I went, oh, fuck, this movie's wild.
Speaker B:And as I was, I had to rewatch it almost immediately.
Speaker B:So I watched it and went.
Speaker B:I was not mentally prepared for what I just watched.
Speaker B:So I immediately rewatched it the second time.
Speaker B:Like, I literally went.
Speaker B:Sat there for five minutes going, what the did I just watch?
Speaker B:And then I went, I gotta rewatch it.
Speaker B:So I hit replay.
Speaker B:And I remember just sitting and just soaking this film up the second time.
Speaker B:Because as much as I would have loved messing with Matson with this, like, this movie is a mind of a movie with one of the, in my opinion, some of the greatest underlying revenge plot, like this disgusting sickness.
Speaker B:For you to write a novel to just get emotional revenge on your ex wife for you up when she divorced your ass and left you.
Speaker B:Like, and, and really it was more than that.
Speaker B:It was like the whole life cycle of your relationship that then ends in divorce and, you know, breakup, and then to just throw this novel that you know is gonna with her.
Speaker B:You devote it to her, you name it after her, and it's just this twisted ass story that's gonna make her think of you and get like, just nuzzle your way into her brain like a parasite.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker B:And then we'll talk about the ending.
Speaker B:But like, Jesus, this.
Speaker B:And I was like, this is some diabolical.
Speaker B:And I. I'm here for it.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker B:I love the way that the story's told.
Speaker B:I think it's genius to have a movie written within a movie.
Speaker B:And we're watching this movie through the imagination of this woman who this, this script was written to with.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And done because of the.
Speaker B:The fact that she initially was attracted to this man because of his creativity and then using that creativity to just put her off guard and off center and mess with her.
Speaker B:It's so disgusting.
Speaker B:And I love every second of it.
Speaker B:The fact that we get to go through this just twisted, dark story through her imagination and how it relates to her relationship.
Speaker B:So many wonderful things.
Speaker B:So I'm gonna stop there because there's so many things we need to Talk about.
Speaker B:But was this the first time you'd seen this movie?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:You've never seen Nocturnal Animals before?
Speaker A:I watched it like I told JJ before we started recording at 6:30 this morning because I had to watch it.
Speaker A:I was not expecting the first two minutes of the movie to be big old titties.
Speaker A:I was not prepared at 6:30 in the morning, half asleep, groggy, just sitting on the couch and big old titties.
Speaker B:Two and a half minutes of nothing but big old naked women.
Speaker A:I was sitting there going, why?
Speaker A:Why, jj?
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker B:And then that's why.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And the.
Speaker A:The weird part was there's like, no reason for it.
Speaker B:None.
Speaker A:Anyway.
Speaker B:None.
Speaker A:Like, she owns an art gallery and it's obviously some sort of, like, live art presentation.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:But there's no reason for it.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker A:They just started their movie.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:For the.
Speaker A:The absolute, I will say I feel like this is the movie we get when an English major is allowed to cross over into film.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:This is very much in the same vein as like a Great Gatsby.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Type movie.
Speaker A:Or these absolute mind.
Speaker A:Where, you know, the.
Speaker A:The curtains aren't just blue because blue curtains look cool.
Speaker A:There's reasoning, there's symbolism.
Speaker A:There's something behind every single look, every single section.
Speaker A:Which is great up to a point.
Speaker A:Because I feel like this movie kind of overdoes it in some cases to the point where you're gonna lose a lot of people.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:Who don't comprehend anything in that deep of something.
Speaker A:Like I.
Speaker A:There's parts of this where it's really good and you can.
Speaker A:Aha.
Speaker A:But there is so many layers to this movie.
Speaker A:Like you said, you just turned around and start rewatching it again.
Speaker B:Mm.
Speaker B:Like there.
Speaker A:You're almost doing yourself a disservice by making your movie that deep.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:To where you're just at that point.
Speaker A:It's almost like just to stop you.
Speaker A:You could have a phenomenal movie if you didn't dive into, you know, going so deep into this little subplot or this, you know, turn of the page means something or all that.
Speaker A:It's like, holy.
Speaker A:Like, I was like, this is great.
Speaker A:But the same time, I was like, oh, shoot.
Speaker A:Like, this is.
Speaker A:This is what I imagined.
Speaker A:Like, English class was right.
Speaker A:When you're talking about these books that are.
Speaker A:Stood the test of time, these great novelizations, and you're having to list out all the symbolism.
Speaker A:And at, you know, young kid, you're like, the.
Speaker A:What is this?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so at the.
Speaker A:The same time, that's like this, that's what this movie is to me.
Speaker A:It's like sitting in class reading the Great Gatsby and having just four pages of descriptive dialogue that apparently is a secret to internal life.
Speaker A:If we could only unlock the code.
Speaker A:Like, that's the level that this goes to and so forth.
Speaker A:And that's probably why I hated the start so much.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Is the start doesn't play into that at all.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker B:And I, I think it's so intentional to, like, get you.
Speaker B:Because it's like the first time I watched, like, what.
Speaker B:I'm like, you.
Speaker B:I was like, what the is happening?
Speaker B:Because you're like, it's immediate.
Speaker B:Like, as soon as there's something on the screen and listen, I'm a big fat ugly.
Speaker B:But so I, I, this comes from a relatability sense.
Speaker B:Like, you get these unattractive, very large women dancing fully nude immediately, and it just disarms your ass.
Speaker B:You're like, wait, what?
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker B:What is going.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:And it just keeps going, swapping back and forth between these two women dancing complet.
Speaker B:And you're like, what is why?
Speaker B:And it has nothing to do with the film, but it sets you up that once it gets going, you're like, wait, what?
Speaker B:I think it's such a genius disarmament of all of your mental faculties to set you up for this mind of a heavy.
Speaker B:Just into your point.
Speaker B:Like, there's so many layers to this film.
Speaker B:Like, one of the things that I want to talk about right out the gate is the visual.
Speaker B:Like, the visuals that if the first time I missed a lot of them.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:But there are these visuals that line up between her imagination with the, the movie that she's watching, for example, that when they find the bodies of his wife and daughter.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Mirrors what her daughters mirrors her daughter.
Speaker B:Laying with her boyfriend in bed.
Speaker B:Like, I was like, oh, I didn't.
Speaker B:And I'll be honest, I didn't catch it the first time because I was so wrapped up in the fact that we find out that his wife and daughter are dead, right?
Speaker B:And you're like, oh, no.
Speaker B:And then, and then I start to recognize that the wife and daughter in the book look exactly like the wife and daughter in real or the wife and daughter in real life.
Speaker B:And then you find out it's just like all these layers of pieces, but then that visual.
Speaker B:And there's two or three of them where the visuals line up real close and you're like, oh, God, he knows exactly how to just mess with it.
Speaker B:And visually, you get into this Film and you start to almost, at least I did like, what's part of the movie and what's part of real life?
Speaker B:And I'm like, jesus, this is wild.
Speaker B:And then you have the whole fact that again, it's coming from the imagination.
Speaker B:Because when we read something, it's very different than watching a movie.
Speaker B:Which is why I love books so much and I love movies.
Speaker B:We all know that.
Speaker B:But I.
Speaker B:There's a dichotomy there that you have to pay attention to.
Speaker B:Books allow you to create the visualizations in your head and so you can go wherever you want to with it within the parameters of what you're reading and what your imagination can do.
Speaker B:Movies give you.
Speaker B:And they, they evoke a lot of creativity and a lot of imagination, but they're within a very set, confined area because the.
Speaker B:It's visual.
Speaker B:It's a visual medium.
Speaker B:And so watching her read this novel or this script rather, and then the movie that we're watching becomes her imagination and how she's picturing it.
Speaker B:So we don't know if he wrote it.
Speaker B:I mean, obviously he probably explained what they look like.
Speaker B:Maybe.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Because in a lot of scripts, if you've ever read a script script, they do have some, you know, level of.
Speaker A:Hey, this woman, she's redheaded, scar over the left eye.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But it's usually like just a list of character traits you have to piece together or they piece it together in casting what they actually look like.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But so in my head I'm like, okay, so she is visualizing these people to look like her and look like her daughter.
Speaker B:And then the main character is her ex husband.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So it's like, did he write it that way?
Speaker B:We don't know because we don't see the.
Speaker B:The actual scripting in most.
Speaker B:We see little pieces of it, but not enough to understand.
Speaker B:Or is this.
Speaker B:He's just written it in a way that she can't help but visualize themselves or versions of themselves.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And I love that just again, it's so diabolical and it's on a level again, we go down all these layers.
Speaker B:It's on a level to go.
Speaker B:This man understood her so well that he knew exactly how to with her, that she stays up all night, that she's going to read through the night.
Speaker B:It's going to impact her daily life.
Speaker B:It's going to get into her skin and it's going to be this little parasite in her mind that she can't stop thinking about and cause her to Reach out, which we'll get to later.
Speaker B:But like, God, I love this.
Speaker B:Just the.
Speaker B:To your point, though, they do go, this movie's not for everybody.
Speaker B:Like, you have to have a degenerate like me or even like you to be like, I love the layers.
Speaker B:I love that I have to turn around and re watch this film.
Speaker B:I love that every time I watch this movie, I pick up on something different.
Speaker B:I love that.
Speaker B:But not everybody does, so it's.
Speaker B:You got to be prepared.
Speaker A:Well, to your point, like, I think he 100% wrote this for her because, like, they're even, they're even driving through West Texas.
Speaker A:Yeah, like, they're both from Texas.
Speaker A:Like, I. I don't know if I didn't catch if it was mentioned anywhere, but I would bet that the Mercedes was the car that he owned at one point in time.
Speaker A:And so you have this kind of like, I. I'm 100 sure.
Speaker A:Because at the same time that you're going through this, he's like, in my mind, when I was watching it, up to about halfway, I was thinking, oh, this is his story.
Speaker A:Like, he's.
Speaker A:Because.
Speaker A:And then when they mention.
Speaker A:When she's like critiquing his writing before they break up or whatever it is, and she goes, you only write about yourself.
Speaker A:I was like, no.
Speaker A:2 on the nose.
Speaker A:They wouldn't do that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so it's not about him, but up until that point, I was thinking, oh, this is just his story.
Speaker A:Like he found something to write about, which was, you know, the story that happened to him with a new wife, new kid, or whatever it may be after he moved on, or she moved on from him.
Speaker A:And so there's that, but then there's just the.
Speaker A:Like you said, there's so many goddamn layers.
Speaker A:Like, even to the point where, you know, we were at the beginning, right?
Speaker A:And they're packing up because they're going broke.
Speaker A:Big house, all this stuff.
Speaker A:Art gallery owner, business owner, or business executive, whatever it may be, going broke.
Speaker A:And she left the comfortable Hallmark guy to go to this high powered thing and then still lost it.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker A:So she takes her mom's advice pretty much, which is, what are you doing?
Speaker A:In a couple years, you're not gonna want this.
Speaker A:You think you want it now you're not gonna want it.
Speaker A:She gets to that point, she agrees.
Speaker A:She goes to the high power kind of lifestyle, hates it or just becomes disillusioned with it.
Speaker A:So much so that it really cranks up when she starts reading this book, right?
Speaker A:She starts second guessing, like all of her decisions that she's doing, she's changing the way that she operates because of a book that her ex wrote.
Speaker A:And she's starting to almost have these regrets of like, her entire life from that point, which is just.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker A:It's that it's the light.
Speaker A:There's no other way to put it.
Speaker A:Like in.
Speaker A:It goes to just, you know, the, the perfect revenge story is she's now pretty much ruined from that standpoint is, you know, it's.
Speaker A:You've got that parasite like you were talking about that.
Speaker A:Yeah, that parasite's in her brain now and it's just gonna be working.
Speaker A:And they're working in there.
Speaker A:Like there is.
Speaker A:There is no coming back from this.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it is, it is amazing.
Speaker A:But it's.
Speaker A:It's to the point, like, you could do that with one, right?
Speaker B:You.
Speaker A:One little thing they did 47.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's a little overkill to.
Speaker A:To the point where it's like, oh, yeah, everything's connected.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Do one, do two, you could even do three.
Speaker A:But there's just hundreds of little sayings, phrases, just to the point.
Speaker A:Like, I mean, it's.
Speaker A:It's great.
Speaker A:To the point that the people who get it right and like that are going to rewatch this movie again and again and again and again and again.
Speaker A:But, I mean, how many people?
Speaker A:But if you have the one or two twists or the connections or stuff like that, like, you could reach this wider group of people and still have a couple hidden layers in there as well.
Speaker A:But it was like, I'm sitting there going, especially at 6:30 in the morning.
Speaker A:I'm like, this is too much.
Speaker B:Exhausting, isn't it?
Speaker A:Exhausting?
Speaker B:It really is.
Speaker B:You got to be committed to watch.
Speaker B:And I think so.
Speaker B:It's interesting.
Speaker B:When I picked this film, I was like, I. I thought about not doing it because I worried about how Matson would react, because.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:Because, like, again, I did it to mess with him.
Speaker B:Because I knew he would hate the movie because it's so dark and it's so.
Speaker B:To him it'll drag on because he doesn't catch the nuance of what the conversations are leading to and, and how this whole thing, at least in my opinion now I'm speculating, maybe he would have gotten it and loved it.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't think so.
Speaker B:I know him well enough to know he would have hated it.
Speaker B:But like, I also thought about.
Speaker B:I was gonna put this on one of our lists a long time ago when Javier was part and I was putting.
Speaker B:I can't have Javier watch this movie because that dude's the big.
Speaker B:I call him the Water Skeeter.
Speaker B:Like, he just skims the top of everything.
Speaker B:Like, he couldn't.
Speaker B:He would just.
Speaker B:He'd come in, it'd be like, what?
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:I don't understand this movie.
Speaker B:And then I'm like, I spend the whole podcast trying to explain it to him.
Speaker B:So I was like, I can't do this.
Speaker B:So I knew if I had you here, like, we'd get some good conversation, and then maybe Matt and then Matson would just be, like, sitting there eating when saying, I hate this film.
Speaker B:The man of the people.
Speaker B:Don't watch this, people.
Speaker B:You and I would have a really good conversation around it.
Speaker B:But, like, I think it's one of the most underrated films.
Speaker B:To me, that's out there for a number of reasons.
Speaker B:And I agree with you, there is some points where it's almost too much, like, because they just.
Speaker B:They went.
Speaker B:And I. I give them credit.
Speaker B:They full 100 went for it.
Speaker B:They're like, we are gonna make a very deep, very layered, very dark, very grounded, even in a certain world movie.
Speaker B:And we're gonna connect everything this is.
Speaker B:We're gonna make.
Speaker B:We're gonna take like, a.
Speaker B:An Ocean's 13 or an Ocean's 11 and make it not fun.
Speaker B:This.
Speaker B:It's Ocean's 11 about.
Speaker B:With one person not stealing anything other than their soul.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Like, and.
Speaker B:And we're gonna watch how it happens, and then we're gonna find out at the end that this was all a plot to get the upper hand in this former relationship again.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And to get back your power, if you will, if that's one way to put it.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:It's diabolical.
Speaker B:Dude.
Speaker B:That's the only word that.
Speaker B:That makes sense to me.
Speaker A:Fantastic.
Speaker B:But it's also so good from a storytelling perspective.
Speaker B:And then you add in the fact that they're the cast in this and the fact that this movie is not a hugely known, at least not in the circles that I run.
Speaker B:And I know a lot of people that watch a lot of movies.
Speaker B:A lot of them were like, ah, you know, I heard of it, but I never watched it because it just didn't seem like my kind of film.
Speaker B:And I'm like, dude, you got to watch it at least to say you hate it and it's not your thing.
Speaker B:But I think it's super underrated.
Speaker B:And the cast.
Speaker B:And this is outrageous.
Speaker B:Like, I didn't even talk about the Fact, Jenna Malone's in it.
Speaker B:Like I did.
Speaker B:Like, there's so many.
Speaker B:And a lot of them just have little bit parts, but their bit parts add to this story.
Speaker B:Like the whole part with Jenna Malone and the baby.
Speaker B:Like reminding her of her abortion.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And reminding her of that trauma that came after the end of the relationship and how she further this guy up without him even knowing about it.
Speaker B:And it's like, what a layer of goddamn damage that she did to herself and then unknowingly did to her ex husband.
Speaker B:And it's like, wow.
Speaker B:And then you have the moment I thought of you, the jump scare moment with the phone.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, I jumped.
Speaker B:Oh, I did.
Speaker B:Because I peed myself the first time I watched it.
Speaker B:Because it's not a movie.
Speaker B:You're like, oh, there's going to be a jump scare.
Speaker A:No, but he's like, oh, cute baby.
Speaker B:Yeah, like, oh, look, it's baby.
Speaker B:And it's got night vision camera on it.
Speaker B:Oh, you look, there's Ned Stark as a young man jumping out and making me pee myself.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:But yeah, like, it just.
Speaker B:God, the story is so good.
Speaker B:And the way that they tell it is so intriguing to me.
Speaker B:Like, I love the idea of.
Speaker B:And I keep going back to it, but like learning this story and learning her damage and the things that are.
Speaker B:Affect her in.
Speaker B:In a.
Speaker B:An emotional.
Speaker B:And the things that she's really kind of pushed down because we get to a point like, and I, at least me.
Speaker B:And maybe it's just me, but I have that, like where I've been, you know, things that have.
Speaker B:Were traumatic for me, like, they're there, they're always there.
Speaker B:Trauma doesn't just go away, but I tend to like, push it down.
Speaker B:And I'm like, I live my life and then I'll have moments where it comes back up.
Speaker B:And watching this man send her a script that he knows is going to resurface every bit of trauma in this woman's life.
Speaker B:God damn, what a genius way to tell a story.
Speaker B:And then for us to live it through her eyes and all that.
Speaker B:Like she's laying in the bathtub and you're like, she's up, she's crying constantly.
Speaker B:And then you just take this cast that just plays like, Jake Gyllenhaal is a phenom in this movie and so is Amy Adams.
Speaker B:Because let's be honest, Amy Adams isn't in this movie a lot, but without her, it doesn't work.
Speaker B:No, because every time we cut back to her after watching portions of the script being Played out.
Speaker B:Her emotional responses are what make those things make sense.
Speaker B:After you realize what the point of it is and you're just like, oh, and she does it so well, and it's so subtle, but it's so powerful.
Speaker B:And then, like, all the bit players that come into her life that reinforce those reactions in those traumas and like, oh, God, it's just like, I could talk about it for hours, the.
Speaker B:All the different pieces, but the cast is outrageous.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:For me, it's Michael Shannon.
Speaker B:Oh, so good.
Speaker A:Because he plays so well as that, you know, Texas Ranger type, you know, justice on the fly kind of office that you do see in books.
Speaker A:Yeah, you.
Speaker A:You see this all the time in books, but you.
Speaker A:You see a little bit on screen, but very rarely.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or it's.
Speaker A:It's played in a certain way.
Speaker A:And he does a phenomenal job as paying the.
Speaker A:Playing this guy who's just like, it, I got cancer.
Speaker A:We're just gonna go out on a.
Speaker A:On a high right here.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't got any reason not to.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Type of a.
Speaker A:Type of a deal.
Speaker A:And so he just does an amazing job, you know, and it's the.
Speaker A:He's the one who sets up the tension moments for me.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:Because it's always the, you know, hey, here's the gun.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Watch him while I'm going to go puke out my guts or whatever it is.
Speaker A:So he's the one who's setting up all these tension moments in the book to where you.
Speaker A:You're.
Speaker A:You're like, okay, it's gonna happen this time.
Speaker A:It's gonna happen.
Speaker A:It's finally gonna be there.
Speaker A:And it's the.
Speaker A:The, you know, sitting on the edge of your seat, getting closer and closer, closer.
Speaker A:It's like, no, that's not it.
Speaker A:No, that's not it.
Speaker A:No, that's not it.
Speaker B:But it's all.
Speaker A:He's the one who's setting up these opportunities.
Speaker A:And then, you know, every single time we see Tony or whatever, Jake Gyllenhaal not pull the trigger.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:There's no.
Speaker A:None of that.
Speaker A:None of that.
Speaker A:You know what you'd imagine coming from Texas law officer, which is the.
Speaker A:What the fuck's wrong with you?
Speaker A:What's the matter with you?
Speaker A:You know how you pull this?
Speaker A:You're pointing your pool.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:It's a very kind of like, understanding almost of, all right, let's try again.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so then it's the same exact thing over and over again.
Speaker A:So when you get to that payoff, it's a huge like, finally.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because he sets up all those tension moments and he does it so naturally where you just.
Speaker A:It just makes sense.
Speaker A:So for me, he kills it.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:And then just stealing the entire show, even from Jake Gyllenhaal in those things, which is not an easy thing to do.
Speaker B:Hard to do.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Michael Shannon is up there as one of my favorite actors that doesn't get enough credit.
Speaker B:He's another one that plays a lot of, like, bit stuff.
Speaker B:And it's always.
Speaker B:But when he does it, like you said, even in this movie, like, he steals scenes from these headliners and these.
Speaker B:A list that you're like, God, he's good.
Speaker B:And, man, does he steal it in this.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker B:Michael Shannon is insanely good.
Speaker B:Another one that comes in for me from a casting perspective and is only in it early and he's in it for two minutes is Michael Sheen.
Speaker B:That conversation that she has with Michael Sheen, God damn.
Speaker B:That sets up the rest of what's coming so good.
Speaker B:Like, you know, she's.
Speaker B:Because it gives the hint that she's already been thinking about the regrets that she has because she understands that her relationship with Armie Hammer's character is not good.
Speaker B:And he's an.
Speaker B:And it was a marriage of convenience and to keep money involved and to be set up and be able to do whatever she wants versus having that spark of creativity and enjoyment and love and, you know, like, the difficulties that make relationships interesting and.
Speaker B:And she doesn't have that.
Speaker B:So anyway, like, I just love that brief conversation.
Speaker B:But to be able and I think give credit to the casting and the fact that they were willing to pay money for this independent, ish film to have these people in it, because Amy Adams, again, is a force of nature in this movie.
Speaker B:So you have to have people that can play against her.
Speaker B:Like you have Laura Linney as her mom.
Speaker B:Jesus, Again, this is a major actress that you have in it for two minutes.
Speaker B:But that the importance of that conversation warrants a Laura Linney and that conversation warrants a Michael Sheen and later on conversation.
Speaker B:That conversation requires a gentle Malone.
Speaker B:Like, you have to have these people that can carry the scene with Amy Adams or this film doesn't work.
Speaker B:And so I really appreciate the fact that they were willing to pay because, you know, it wasn't cheap to get these actors in here that are in there.
Speaker B:But be willing to do that so that your film works is you have an understanding of your content at that point and what you're trying to do and an understanding of the watchers of your, your film.
Speaker B:There are some people that.
Speaker B:The only reason they're going to be interested is because of these people that are in it and in order to be able to carry that story through, man.
Speaker B:And they do so good at it.
Speaker B:But this is why I was glad this one was never a question for me.
Speaker B:When Amy Adams came up, it was immediately gonna go on my list because God damn, she's good for something that you don't have to do a lot for except react to what you're reading.
Speaker B:God, she does so good.
Speaker B:So good.
Speaker A:I will say so the issue I have with it, right.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's like most of our issues, it's not real.
Speaker A:It's just me is I spiral.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I went too far down the rabbit hole.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:And so you.
Speaker A:There's a, there's a line and it's kind of like a throw away line where Amy Adams is talking.
Speaker A:She's like, oh yeah, you know my ex called me a couple years ago, right?
Speaker A:She's talking about the book.
Speaker A:He sent me the manuscript.
Speaker A:Haven't talked to him a few years and he hung up with me.
Speaker A:And I'm like, that's when he started writing the book.
Speaker A:And is that the case?
Speaker A:Maybe, maybe not.
Speaker A:But that's the problem is now I'm like over analyzing and gone too far into it thinking that, oh yeah, no, that, that's.
Speaker A:She's the one who kicked off her own revenge plot story that's coming against her, ruining her life.
Speaker A:She kicked it off a couple years ago by reaching out to the guy that she, you know, ruined pretty much.
Speaker A:And it could have been whatever reason, but all the bad in her life has led up to this point and now it's just coming.
Speaker A:We're seeing the climax of it.
Speaker A:It all was started by her because she, you know, was longing for the good old days or whatever it was and reached out just to see how someone's doing that you so crushed.
Speaker A:And he said thank you for the opportunity.
Speaker A:Ruined your goddamn life.
Speaker B:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:And so that, that's the only like gripe I have with it.
Speaker A:Besides, you know, the, the start at 6:30 in the morning.
Speaker A:It just wasn't prepared for it.
Speaker A:But that's the only one is that because of the way my brain works is now I'm too far into it and there's, you know, the, because of those levels.
Speaker A:Like great, now I gotta go watch a very depressing move.
Speaker A:Oh, like this is not a, like by no means this a fun watch.
Speaker B:No, it's hard to watch.
Speaker A:There's very little, you know, bright side to it.
Speaker A:It just, it sucks as a movie from that kind of emotional standpoint or it's not a. Oh, I had a bad day at work.
Speaker A:I'm gonna go watch Nocturnal Animals.
Speaker A:That'll cheer me up.
Speaker A:But now it's like I have to watch it and watch it again because what am I missing?
Speaker A:There's more to it.
Speaker A:So that's the diabolical part of it is that they have their own revenge story that they just wrote for everybody who watches this movie.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Now I've got a parasite in my head.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Just like she does.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like off.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You took me on this journey and now I've got these things that I'm like, wait, what about this?
Speaker B:What about this?
Speaker A:Who is it?
Speaker A:Who made this?
Speaker A:Was it Todd?
Speaker B:Tom Ford.
Speaker A:Tom Ford?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Off.
Speaker A:Tom Ford.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Tom Ford.
Speaker B:You hate that guy.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:So to your point though, we gotta talk about the ending real quick because a lot of people like about the ending and I'm one and we've talked about this.
Speaker B:I'm not always a fan of the open ended ending and I don't like them typically because they're not usually done well enough that I care about it.
Speaker B:This one is not that.
Speaker B:This one is so good because there's so many ways to interpret it.
Speaker B:Even some people are like, well, I think he died like his character did.
Speaker B:And I'm like, but he sent the email a couple days ago, etc.
Speaker B:I was like, so I don't think that's it.
Speaker B:And get where you're coming from.
Speaker B:But what I think is like, it's the ultimate finish to this revenge.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Like he's set her up to get in her mind, get back in her heart, get her to the point where she remembers all the reasons that she loved him.
Speaker B:And the creativity piece and this dark and just like disturbing but beautiful in its own right story.
Speaker B:This is what she wanted from him the whole time, you know what I mean?
Speaker B:Like this crazy writing and he, she brought it out in him in the worst possible way.
Speaker B:And to your point, like, when did this plot start?
Speaker B:Was it after the phone call?
Speaker B:Was it directly after the divorce?
Speaker B:Like, was it after that walk on the street where she told him she was like, where was this that started it?
Speaker B:Or was it the whole thing?
Speaker B:And then the final cap on this perfect revenge is to drag, get her to initiate contact, a meeting that could lead to something that maybe somewhere, I'm sure for years he thought about wanting.
Speaker B:And then to leave her high and dry and not even show up the final you in the now I've got you.
Speaker B:Because now the table's turned, right?
Speaker B:He's been obsessing over her for how long?
Speaker B:Since they were divorced, right.
Speaker B:Had this relationship, he worked on it, he wasn't good enough, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:Now he writes the perfect manuscript that's gonna get her, that's gonna lead all the way back to getting her what she wanted and make her realize she should have stayed.
Speaker B:And then he's like, now I'm done.
Speaker B:I never needed you anymore.
Speaker B:I've moved past it.
Speaker B:I've had my obsession.
Speaker B:My obsession is now over.
Speaker B:Now it's your turn.
Speaker B:Because now you know, this doesn't go away.
Speaker B:Now the fact that he didn't show up, oh my God.
Speaker B:The, the bother that's in it because he now that parasite is, is not just there, it has made a home.
Speaker B:And as long as he leaves, never says a word to her, it's never going to go away.
Speaker B:Ever.
Speaker B:And I, I.
Speaker B:It's just so twisted.
Speaker B:And I love every second of it because now he has all the power in this relationship or non relationship that he never had until this moment.
Speaker B:And it just, to me, like I said, Ocean's Eleven in the darkest possible way because he won.
Speaker B:And we just watched him win.
Speaker B:It's so up that I'm excited for him.
Speaker B:But yeah, I love the twists and turns to get to the point that you're like, he wrote that just to with his ex wife for the rest of her life.
Speaker B:How up are you, dude?
Speaker B:And I'm here for it.
Speaker A:I will say what I would have liked more.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:But that's because it's me, right?
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because something was gonna happen.
Speaker A:She wasn't wearing her ring anymore.
Speaker A:She took it off for this dinner.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But what I would have liked more is because he kept seeing pictures, you know, shots of her sitting at the table alone.
Speaker A:The shots of the door on the last one.
Speaker A:I would have had him walking out with his new wife.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:Whoever it may have been, because for damn sure he did not come up with this on his own.
Speaker A:Yeah, he found somebody else who essentially, you know, fixed him.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:But it was, it's another woman who's a driver.
Speaker A:It's a revenge story.
Speaker A:And have them walk out together from her point of view.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, that's fair.
Speaker A:And I wouldn't have him look back.
Speaker A:I have her look back.
Speaker A:Oh, God, yes.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:Because now you're just you.
Speaker A:I mean, the problem with that and I want to kind of where I like the ending went is because there is no closure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:For her.
Speaker A:She is left open.
Speaker A:And there's no closure for the viewer either.
Speaker B:But we know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:But from that point you still have that kind of.
Speaker A:It's gonna eat her up.
Speaker A:It is going to eat her up.
Speaker A:But you give her that closure which is almost, you know, could be what she needs.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I would have done that because I'm a sick twisted and dude, that is pretty.
Speaker A:Is the ultimate type of, you know.
Speaker A:Haha.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:I win.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oof.
Speaker B:Oh, that's dirty, dude.
Speaker B:I like that.
Speaker B:No, I could see that because I can see where like, especially where she's sitting next to that window.
Speaker B:Just have them even walk by and the.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:His new wife or girlfriend or whatever is on the window side and he's just looking straightforward.
Speaker B:And the wife, like eyes are down as they all my.
Speaker B:Because they knew she was going to be there.
Speaker B:Oh, it would have been so up.
Speaker A:You know, she's there.
Speaker A:Just go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then you can just sit there.
Speaker A:And that's the, you know, the final kind of closure type thing or the healing process for him.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's a giant royal you to her.
Speaker A:But at the same time it's also like it finishes off that thought that it's never going to happen again.
Speaker A:And so you.
Speaker A:You then give her that closure.
Speaker A:Which.
Speaker A:The way they did it I really like because it just, you know, you're sitting there and then cut to black and you're kind of like, what?
Speaker A:And the credits roll.
Speaker A:Ah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which I usually hate.
Speaker B:But in this movie I loved it.
Speaker B:I was like, it works.
Speaker B:Well, no, she didn't get any kind of.
Speaker B:Now she's stuck and she's got, you know, she's gonna go read that book that script again.
Speaker B:Or even worse, it becomes a famous movie.
Speaker B:Like, oh.
Speaker B:Because that was the other thing that I thought about.
Speaker B:How up would it be?
Speaker B:Is like as the credits are rolling, you hear like this newscast of today on the top movies in America.
Speaker B:We see nocturnal animals be like, oh.
Speaker B:Like now it's just interface constantly.
Speaker B:But I thought that would have been a little kitschy.
Speaker B:So I do love the way that they end.
Speaker B:But that was another ending that I thought like during the credit roll you hear like them talking about the fact that this movie is blown up and it's like the new great writer, you know, you know, Tony or whatever his name was.
Speaker B:I'm just like, that's up.
Speaker B:But again, I'm with You like?
Speaker B:I love that it just cuts the black.
Speaker B:Because then I go, oh, no.
Speaker B:So, yeah, fast forward a little bit.
Speaker A:Maybe there's an after credit.
Speaker B:Is there a post credit scene?
Speaker B:There's got to be something.
Speaker B:God damn it.
Speaker B:And I waited.
Speaker B:Like, I sat.
Speaker B:I remember the first.
Speaker B:I remember very vividly because Casey was at work and I had the day off, and I was like, I'm just gonna watch some movies.
Speaker B:And I was like, I like Amy Adams and I love Jake Gyllenhaal, so let me watch this movie.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:By when it got to the end, I was like, what?
Speaker B:And then I sat there for the whole credits, like, thinking through what I just watched, and go, I missed a lot.
Speaker B:So then it got to the end, and it's like giving me, like, the.
Speaker B:What films coming next?
Speaker B:And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker B:Replay.
Speaker B:Rewatch.
Speaker B:And I watched the whole movie again in this, like, twice.
Speaker B:And I went, wowza.
Speaker B:Brutal.
Speaker B:Brutal.
Speaker B:And I haven't watched it in a while, so I was really glad that when it came up, I was gonna watch me, because I really do.
Speaker B:I think it's so well written and so well acted.
Speaker B:But, yeah, it is.
Speaker B:It's a lot.
Speaker B:It's not a movie you can watch a lot, that's for sure.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Well, we're getting into rating things.
Speaker B:You want to rate it?
Speaker A:Let's do it.
Speaker B:Okay, here we go.
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker B:Finishing out.
Speaker B:I'm giving a four and a half.
Speaker B:I. I think this movie enamors me every time I watch it.
Speaker B:Every time I watch it, I remember, like, why I love it so much, and yet at the same time, why I hate it so much.
Speaker B:Because it.
Speaker B:With me, like, when I watch it, like, I think about it for days because I'm like, man, how up is that?
Speaker B:Like, could I do something like that to someone?
Speaker B:Like, do I have the crate?
Speaker B:Am I smart enough and creative enough to do?
Speaker B:And then I think, have I done that to people without realizing it?
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Because a lot of times we have our own little things where we're like, I'm gonna do this because I know it's gonna piss somebody off.
Speaker B:Like, we pick movies to piss Matson off.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, every week.
Speaker B:Yeah, we do this all the time.
Speaker B:So it's just like.
Speaker B:And I can relate to that on so many levels that, like, I enjoy the fact that this movie gets so much reaction out of me, and it makes me feel a lot of different ways throughout this film.
Speaker B:And that's a credit to the writing to the acting, to the, the way that this movie is displayed and played.
Speaker B:Like it's, it's really, really well done.
Speaker B:If you want to feel something and feel gross and feel elated and feel scared and feel uncomfortable and if you like feeling things when you watch a movie, this is one of the best as far as that being able to do that to someone.
Speaker B:Now they're not great feelings most of the time but it'll also make you think and it'll also make.
Speaker B:Give you some discussion topics.
Speaker B:And that's one of my favorite things about movies is when I can have a full on discussion about all of it and go, man, there's so many things to talk about.
Speaker B:So this movie has all that.
Speaker B:So four and a half.
Speaker B:I do think to your point there is, it's a little much at times and I think there are some pieces that could have been cut down probably by five to 10 minutes.
Speaker B:I think there was some over long pieces.
Speaker B:Especially the quiet moments of like Amy Adams.
Speaker B:Like I think we get enough of that in.
Speaker B:We don't need like the bathtub scene to last seven and a half minutes.
Speaker B:It could have lasted four minutes.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And that.
Speaker B:But that's me being nitpicky.
Speaker B:But I do think it's, it is a lot and we could have used maybe like some lighter moments to maybe give you a breather.
Speaker B:I don't, I can't think of any moments where I'm like okay, I get to relax for half a second.
Speaker B:This movie just pummels you from start to finish.
Speaker B:I think the most light hearted piece is the naked women dancing up front.
Speaker B:And that's what it sets you up for.
Speaker B:This is funny and weird to.
Speaker B:Oh, this is heavy and dark and it never lets up.
Speaker B:So I think that's something.
Speaker B:I'm not usually one to interject something for the sake of it, but you could use a breather a couple times in this movie I think.
Speaker B:So anyway.
Speaker B:Four and a half for me.
Speaker B:I will definitely watch this but it'll be a while.
Speaker B:I can't watch it.
Speaker B:I usually watch it twice in a row every time but then I don't watch it for years because it hurts.
Speaker B:Like it's, it's rough.
Speaker B:It puts me in a weird place for a while.
Speaker B:So there it is.
Speaker B:All right, Alec, your turn.
Speaker A:I'm also gonna be four and a half.
Speaker A:Kind of mimic what you were saying.
Speaker A:I do have the brains to do this.
Speaker A:What I lack is the commitment.
Speaker A:There is no way I'm writing a full page novel to.
Speaker A:With somebody I will do it in a much quicker way.
Speaker A:But that being said, oh, I am not above my petty revenge.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:Just because it's Tuesday.
Speaker A:So yeah.
Speaker A:This movie for me though is one of those where I, I could already feel it when I was watching it.
Speaker A:Like I'm going to be watching this again and I, if I don't stop myself, I'm going to be absorbed by it and look for those connections, look for those pieces of dialogue.
Speaker A:This is the, the almost perfect anti Alec movie because it's, it's kind of like, you know, it will suck me in and I will be consumed by it and be going over, you know, have the, have the map on the wall with the red string correlating and nobody fucking cares about it except for me.
Speaker A:There is nobody who's going this deep into.
Speaker A:And I will obsess over it for who knows how long and then completely forget about it.
Speaker A:So it's one of those weird ones where I, I have to stop myself from going back and re watching it because I know that I'm going to dive head first right into it and not even bother looking at the bottom.
Speaker A:But fantastic movie.
Speaker A:It's, it's not like we kind of said before, it's not a fun movie.
Speaker A:It's not a good, happy, go lucky, great feeling movie.
Speaker A:It is the exact opposite.
Speaker A:And I think if you take away the layers, you know, this, we're talking about this movie in the same vein as like, you know, some of the movies we watched on here.
Speaker A:Like a Pink Flamingos.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Up type of movie with.
Speaker A:If you take away those layers.
Speaker A:And so as much as I can, you know, nitpick and gripe about how deep it goes, that's, that's the difference, the layering is the difference between this being a really good movie and absolute.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Just some arbitrary thing.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And so it's, it's crazy to me, but that's the difference.
Speaker A:And so it's, it's a great movie.
Speaker A:I'll give it four and a half and I will watch it again at some point, but it can't be anytime within, you know, the next five years.
Speaker B:I just envisioned Alec in full Charlie Cox mode with like hanging out of his mouth, like trying to explain it.
Speaker A:Why doesn't it make sense?
Speaker A:What's the correlation?
Speaker B:Where did it all start and connect?
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:No, you're welcome.
Speaker B:And you're.
Speaker B:And I'm sorry.
Speaker B:All at the same time, like, and I, and I'd say I, you know, when I picked it When I heard, when we were doing, when he sent and the Matson was like Amy Adams.
Speaker B:Which is also ironic because Amy Adams was his choice and he's not here for the whole month.
Speaker B:But when he's.
Speaker B:When he said Amy Adams was like, oh, Nocturnal animals is going on this list.
Speaker B:And I feel like those that vote on our movies is gonna, are gonna pick it.
Speaker B:I was like, and that's a dangerous thing if Alec hasn't.
Speaker B:Because I didn't know if you'd seen it or not.
Speaker B:And I was like, if Alec hasn't seen this movie, because it is right up his twisted ass alley.
Speaker B:So I was really excited when you at the beginning, you're like, I hadn't seen this movie.
Speaker B:And then I was like, oh, here we go.
Speaker B:Because it's, it's a movie.
Speaker B:So there it is.
Speaker B:That's Amy Adams month.
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Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I mean, it's well worth the, the investment for that to go in there.
Speaker A:And you're getting a lot of bang for your content buck.
Speaker B:Might actually be a dollar.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker B:But with that anyway, it's not much.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's negligible.
Speaker A:You can cancel Hulu and get the same enjoyment from the what's our Verdict podcast.
Speaker A:But with that, I'll kick it back to the maharaja of mash, the titan of terror, a jj.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Three, five and ten.
Speaker B:So three bucks.
Speaker B:There it is.
Speaker B:Appreciate you, Alex.
Speaker B:This is a good time.
Speaker B:Yeah, we got a fun next month gearing up.
Speaker B:Votes are almost closed.
Speaker B:Made quite a few votes.
Speaker B:All right, Brad Pitt month.
Speaker B:So looking forward to September.
Speaker B:But yeah, as always, we appreciate you guys tuning in.
Speaker B:We'll catch you on the next one.
Speaker A:Hasta la vista, baby.
Speaker B:Cinemagic.
