Old (2021)
This podcast episode delves into the intricate and alarming narrative presented in the film "Old," directed by M. Night Shyamalan. At the heart of our discussion lies the pivotal theme of the dangers of leaving one's passport unsecured while traveling, a metaphor for the vulnerabilities we face in unfamiliar environments. We reflect on the harrowing premise of the film, wherein a family discovers that a secluded beach accelerates their aging process, reducing their lives to mere hours. Through our analysis, we explore the moral quandaries inherent in the film's portrayal of scientific experimentation and corporate ethics. As we dissect the characters' experiences, we unveil the psychological and societal implications that resonate beyond the screen, prompting a contemplation of the ethical boundaries of medical research.
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Speaker A:So let's talk red flags with this storyline.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:If you travel abroad, don't leave your passport with anybody.
Speaker B:Never.
Speaker B:And don't leave it locked up in your hotel room.
Speaker A:Don't leave it locked up in the hotel room.
Speaker A:Don't, don't do that.
Speaker A:Keep that on you.
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Speaker B:We're week three of March and we are talking about old.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:It was written and directed by M. Night Shyamalan.
Speaker B:It starred Gail Garcia Bernal, Vicky Creeps, Rufus Sewell, Alex Wolf Thomas and Mackenzie, Abby Lee, Nikki Amuka Bird, Ken Lung Aaron Pierre, Eliza Scanlon Mbeth Davids Imun Elliott, Alexis Swinton.
Speaker B:There's a few more, but they're like little ones, but let me make sure I get Nolan river and Luca Faustina Rodriguez in there.
Speaker B:So it's about a vacationing family who discovered that the secluded beach where they're relaxing for hours, few hours, is somehow causing them to age, rapidly reducing their entire lives into a single day.
Speaker B:That's a pretty good synopsis.
Speaker B:Sometimes we get some really shitty ones, but that one's pretty good.
Speaker B:All right, my friend.
Speaker B:You picked this some.
Speaker A:I did pick this some.
Speaker B:Tell me why.
Speaker A:So this movie has some history because I actually saw.
Speaker A:Saw this in theaters way back when.
Speaker A:I was just a fan of the podcast because I thought this was gonna be on the list of your July month movies.
Speaker A:And so I was like, cool, we'll go see it.
Speaker A:It wasn't on your list of July.
Speaker B:You can blame Javier for that.
Speaker B:That was.
Speaker B:That was Javier's choice.
Speaker B:I tried.
Speaker A:So I was like, I was shocked when, you know, I got the release or whatever.
Speaker A:I was like, oh, that's weird, because I fully expected this to be there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I know we talked last week about, like, M. Night either hits or misses, and we said, there's nothing in the middle.
Speaker A:This, to me, is a little bit in the middle.
Speaker A:Like, this is the one that's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's just a little weird for Me.
Speaker A:But I love the twist.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Terrifying concept.
Speaker A:But it's also got just enough of that realism for conspiracy theory Alec to come out.
Speaker A:Be like, dude, this totally happens.
Speaker A:There is no way this doesn't happen somewhere.
Speaker A: you, especially coming out in: Speaker A:That vaccine that took, like, two months to develop from a disease that apparently nobody heard anything about.
Speaker A:And so I'm thinking, oh, well, they just stuck some people on a beach in some island, gave them Covid, and I figured out how to solve the cure by aging them artificially so that in one day, 60 years goes by.
Speaker A:At least that's how my brain was working.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Makes sense, obviously.
Speaker A:So to put thriller category into here.
Speaker A:Old came up and 100.
Speaker A:I was gonna put this one in there.
Speaker A:What about you?
Speaker A:What do you think of this movie?
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker B:Honestly, this is funny.
Speaker B:This is the first time I'd seen this movie.
Speaker B: ant it on the podcast back in: Speaker B:Well, okay, so it was Matson and Javier, because.
Speaker B:Hates M. Night Shyamalan for the most part.
Speaker B:And Javier loves anything that might even.
Speaker B:Or hates anything.
Speaker B:It might even remotely be scary.
Speaker B:So he was like, no, I'm out.
Speaker B:So we ended up not doing it.
Speaker B:And so when we didn't do it, I was like, yeah, I'm not gonna go see it.
Speaker B:We were seeing too many movies at the time.
Speaker B:And, like, it was just, like, not gonna go see this movie that I.
Speaker B:Because M. Night Shyamalan, like I said, for me, is very hit and miss.
Speaker B:And so he'd been a lot heavy miss lately, so I was like, good.
Speaker B:But so I.
Speaker B:When I watched this, like, I was, like, pleasantly surprised.
Speaker B:In fact, I. I think.
Speaker B:I disagree.
Speaker B:I think this is a hit for him.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so we'll talk about it, but I think, I mean, I have some issues with it, given it's an M. Night Shyamalan movie and some of the things that he does.
Speaker B:But, like, yeah, I.
Speaker B:This movie made my skin crawl, dude.
Speaker B:Like, and that's not necessarily easy to do, but I was uncomfortable.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:I was uncomfortable for 90% of this movie.
Speaker B:Like, just uncomfortable.
Speaker B:And so I think they did really, really well with it, and I. I really enjoyed it more than I pro.
Speaker B:Maybe it's partially because I went in with very low expectations because I hadn't even heard much about it either.
Speaker A:There's not a Lot out there about it.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker A:It was like the.
Speaker A:The hot.
Speaker A:From six days.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:After it was announced, it aired and then it left theaters because it's also a summer movie.
Speaker A: And: Speaker A:The summer mcu.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Steamroll train coming of, you know, four or five Marvel movies coming out back to.
Speaker A:Back to back.
Speaker B:Probably.
Speaker B:That was our.
Speaker B:Why it had to have been.
Speaker B:Because we were.
Speaker B:That was our second year of the podcast, technically.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, that would have been.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker A:So let's talk red flags with this storyline.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:If you travel abroad, don't leave your passport with anybody.
Speaker B:Never.
Speaker B:And don't leave it locked up in your hotel room.
Speaker A:Don't leave it locked up in the hotel room.
Speaker A:Don't.
Speaker A:Don't do that.
Speaker A:Keep.
Speaker A:Keep that on you in a fanny pack or something with a zipper that can be secured under a jacket or another article of clothing.
Speaker A:Like, don't leave that places, man.
Speaker A:Yeah, that was the.
Speaker A:My first clue, right?
Speaker B:That.
Speaker A:Oh, they're.
Speaker A:They're not coming back.
Speaker A:Like, this is one giant trap.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:Your.
Speaker A:Your driver says to make sure you left your passports all in your very secure hotel room safe.
Speaker B:Yeah, like, shady.
Speaker A:Yeah, Like.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's definitely there.
Speaker A:No, that's attached to me.
Speaker A:Good luck trying to get that off me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You have to pry that up on my gold cold, dead old ass fingers, dude.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:That's my ticket back.
Speaker B:Yeah, you ain't going nowhere without that.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker B:At best, you're going to the embassy, which if this is some unknown island,
Speaker A:which it sounds like it has very little oversight.
Speaker B:It doesn't sound like the island itself would have an embassy on it.
Speaker B:Like, so you're fucked.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Listen, here's my.
Speaker B:One problem with this movie is that I found it.
Speaker B:Other than, like, the reason why, like, the specific reason why of looking for vaccines and, like, cures for diseases, it was very predictable that, like, they were there for being studied and watched.
Speaker B:And even if it was just one guy, right, like creepy M. Night Shyamalan delivering them to the island and then with his camera and watching it, like, it was very predictable that there was, like, some purpose behind it.
Speaker B:That was my only beef.
Speaker B:Like, other than that, like, I was.
Speaker B:It was intense, man.
Speaker B:And like, when shit's.
Speaker B:And it's right out the gate, like, you're.
Speaker B:You get out there and boom, dead body.
Speaker B:You're like, wait, what?
Speaker B:Huh?
Speaker B:And then all sorts of starts going sideways and I'll Tell you what, like when they.
Speaker B:They cut the dude.
Speaker B:Like when they slice up the dude and his face and like, it heals in.
Speaker B:So I was like, this is what the.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What's happening?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then Rufus Sewell, dude.
Speaker B:Oh, so good.
Speaker B:My God.
Speaker B:And we've talked about him a few times.
Speaker B:I love Rufus Soul.
Speaker B:But he killed it in this as the schizophrenic doctor that's trying to hide it.
Speaker B:And it's getting advanced and crazy.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, at first I thought maybe it was Alzheimer's because he was doing the whole.
Speaker B:Do you remember this movie?
Speaker B:But then like, yeah, when they cracked that at the end where it's like his schizophrenia, I was like, oh, God, this is wild.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It shows you how well he was holding it together.
Speaker A:No, well, it's being elevated and turned up the dial.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I thought it was crazy.
Speaker A:Like the.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:They did a really good job, in my opinion, of keeping you guessing what's gonna happen.
Speaker A:M Night does a good job of that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Keeping you guessing what's gonna happen.
Speaker A:And having, once again, like, every single moment ties into why.
Speaker A:So even at the beginning, they're having breakfast at the resort, they're planning their day, and it's, you know, here's your specific cocktail that we're testing out on you for your specific disease that you have.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And you get a little bit of weird moments, like, no, no.
Speaker A:You know, it's your drink.
Speaker A:Like, we made this specifically for you based off of your online survey.
Speaker A:This or that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so it was a.
Speaker A:It's like, kind of gets you thinking, but at the same time, it's a very innocuous little plot point until you get to the end and they start explaining everything why.
Speaker A:And you're like, dang, this is a really well set up operation.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well.
Speaker B:And I think that's the other thing too.
Speaker B:Like, you see all the.
Speaker B:The trinkets and that was one of the things I remembered from the.
Speaker B:The trailer was all the different things that they find in that little crevasse type thing up by the rocks of all the personal effects of these people.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:And I was like, that's a ton of back there.
Speaker B:Like, they've done this a lot and that.
Speaker B:And then like the end of it.
Speaker B:Not to skip right to the end, but that conversation that they're having post experiment.
Speaker B:Excuse me.
Speaker B:I don't know why I'm yawning so damn much.
Speaker B:Tonight is really uncomfortable and creepy because, like, the whole nature thing, like, nature's provided this and Then it was like the conversation of, well, we need to split up the psychiatric patients from the med.
Speaker B:I was like.
Speaker B:And they're just talking like it's just normal.
Speaker B:And I'm like, oh, my God, this is wild.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's that contrast, too, of, you know, we have our main character who escapes.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:From the hints that he's given, he's able to escape.
Speaker A:He comes back, he's old.
Speaker A:You're thinking, yes, good guys win, Bad, bad corporate entity loses.
Speaker A:And nope, they're just.
Speaker A:They're just going through their lab data of, you know, trial 41 or whatever was good, good, bad, bad, good, bad.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, let's move on to trial 42.
Speaker A:They're getting.
Speaker A:Yeah, you're getting set up to go out today.
Speaker A:And it's just.
Speaker A:It's just crazy that it was.
Speaker A:That this entire movie almost is little more than a footnote.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:The entire experiment and process, like you said, like, oh, well, nature provided this.
Speaker A:We're going to use it for all that it's worth.
Speaker A:And these people were going to, you know, succumb to their illness anyway.
Speaker A:We're just being kind and expediting the process and we're gaining, you know, credible amounts of knowledge by doing so.
Speaker A:And that's, that's the way that corporate entity is going to look at it.
Speaker A:And work is like, oh, yeah, no, the greater good is better served by doing it our way because you're not suffering for years and years at a time spending expensive treatments and all that stuff.
Speaker A:We're going to get it done within 24 hours.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or whatever it may be.
Speaker A:And it's just the, the callousness and the uncaring and the real.
Speaker A:Just numbers on a spreadsheet type of a thing.
Speaker A:And, you know, on top of that, it's.
Speaker A:It's a little bit diabolical that, you know, it's like, oh, yeah, you won the sweepstakes.
Speaker A:You get to go to this all paid island resort type of thing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, it's head hunting, going to find people.
Speaker A:So it's not like, you know, you.
Speaker A:You signed up for this, Right.
Speaker A:Or you signed a release form or you went out searching for this.
Speaker A:Hey, I want to.
Speaker A:I want to do this or be a part of it.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:No, because nobody would.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:We're gonna go out and we're gonna offer a, you know, a big old package deal of this, you know, you won type of a thing, and everybody will say yes to that.
Speaker A:And so you have this other marketing side of things.
Speaker A:That's just like it.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker A:It's that again, I would be a little bit suspicious if everybody had a similar story to mine.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Wait, we all want.
Speaker A:I'd be a little bit upset.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'd be like, what?
Speaker B:Does anybody not win?
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:Like, does anybody have to pay for this?
Speaker A:That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But it all makes sense in the fact that you can test a drug for cancer in 48 hours rather than in 50 years.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And you can make adjustments on the fly in a much quicker time frame.
Speaker A:And so the sad part is, in a sadistic way, it makes sense.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So the different diseases.
Speaker B:Because here's.
Speaker B:Well, let's go through it.
Speaker B:So we had schizophrenia.
Speaker B:We had her tumor.
Speaker B:We had the brittle bone disease.
Speaker B:Or the calcium deficiency part was rough.
Speaker B:And then the epilepsy.
Speaker B:But that was it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, it was those four, I think.
Speaker A:So there wasn't.
Speaker A:Like, there wasn't a ton that are being tested.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:No,
Speaker B:because that's where.
Speaker B:Because that's where I'm like.
Speaker B:Because even the mother.
Speaker B:Well, the mother may be the heart condition.
Speaker B:They may have given her something for her heart condition.
Speaker B:The old lady.
Speaker A:Oh, it was Ms. Oh, Ms.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That blonde.
Speaker B:The original.
Speaker A:And then blood clot was another one.
Speaker B:Blood clot.
Speaker B:Who has.
Speaker B:Who had the blood clotting issue.
Speaker B:Oh, the black guy.
Speaker B:Yeah, the guy that was.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker A:That was a little weird one because that also.
Speaker A:So that part did confuse me where there's people that haven't completed their trial yet.
Speaker A:We'll put it that way.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That are still chilling.
Speaker A:But he also seemed like.
Speaker A:It was a weird thing because it seemed like he was aging slower than everybody else.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or, you know, the.
Speaker A:The timing doesn't exactly make sense to me where he should be looking a lot older based on how long he's been there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Type of a thing that.
Speaker A:So that was a little confusing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Reacts.
Speaker A:But that's also kind of a very m. Night thing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, they never actually showed him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Until he came out.
Speaker B:And it.
Speaker B:Because it was at night when she got in the water all naked.
Speaker B:So I. Yeah, I'm with you on that.
Speaker B:I didn't even think about the fact because I got so into it after everybody else that I forgot.
Speaker B:Like, that doesn't add up quite well that he's still as young as he is.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:And the hemophilia thing, like, as far as I know.
Speaker B:And I listen, I know very little.
Speaker B:I have a Friend that's a hemophiliac.
Speaker B:But I don't talk to him much about it.
Speaker B:But, like, there's certain drugs, like, you can't take, and there's certain.
Speaker B:And, like, there's things that, like, I've talked about going and doing stuff, and he's like, yeah, I'm not doing that.
Speaker B:And I'm like, what do you mean?
Speaker B:I'm a hemophiliac, dude.
Speaker B:If I. I was like, oh, okay, I gotcha, I gotcha, I gotcha.
Speaker B:But, like, when he starts bleeding out of his nose, I'm just like, that would never stop.
Speaker B:Is my understanding, like, based on what this dude tells me, like, he would have bled out long before they got there if he had gotten some injury.
Speaker B:Now, the healing makes a difference, but then the.
Speaker B:The internal bleeding wouldn't have stopped.
Speaker B:Like, the little skin scratch, that's fine.
Speaker B:But if he's bleeding out of his nose, there's an internal bleed somewhere.
Speaker B:And from my understanding, like, that just wouldn't stop because bloody nose stops when your blood clots and then dries out.
Speaker B:And that doesn't happen for human feelings anyway.
Speaker B:So I don't know.
Speaker B:There's some little weird things there now that you mentioned that one that I didn't really think about.
Speaker B:But the part that gets me and the part that made me so uncomfortable is like.
Speaker B:And here's the twisted part about me.
Speaker B:Like, I can see from a certain point of view the positives to this testing.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:What I can't see, though, is letting their children who are perfectly healthy or
Speaker A:at least unknown conditions.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker B:Like, going and just sacrificing these kids in the sake of science.
Speaker B:Now, I'm sure there's worse things or just as vile things that have been done in the name of science, certainly in religion and many other reasons.
Speaker B:But, like, that made me so uncomfortable.
Speaker B:I'm like, oh, and they're just fine with it.
Speaker B:Like, there's not even a mention of it.
Speaker B:He was pissed that the schizophrenic.
Speaker B:Schizophrenic almost fucked up their trial and did mess up the trial for the hemophiliac by killing him.
Speaker B:But there's not a peep about the two children who grow to 50 years old and apparently drown trying to escape.
Speaker B:Like, what the.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What the.100 agree with you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:The other part that made me a little bit mad is the one lady with the tumor.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Whose drug worked.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Successful trial.
Speaker A:They're still leaving her ass there
Speaker B:just
Speaker A:in case it comes back.
Speaker A:It's not effective over time.
Speaker A:Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:And they're still going to test that particular, you know, cocktail again.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And probably again and again and again.
Speaker A:Even though you had that one successful test, you know, that doesn't necessarily prove anything.
Speaker A:You gotta keep going.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so it was like that.
Speaker A:That also got to me because, like, once figured out everything, I was like, oh, well, she was fine.
Speaker A:She's cured.
Speaker A:Get her out of there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Your test trial is done.
Speaker A:Congratulations.
Speaker A:Here's a cash settlement.
Speaker A:Don't forget you ever came here.
Speaker A:Type of.
Speaker B:You go and they party with like, they're having some sort of like, champagne party because of the freaking epileptic was cured.
Speaker B:You're like, so go get her.
Speaker B:And obviously she wasn't cured cured because she has a ton of them at the end of the whole thing.
Speaker B:But, like, I get their point.
Speaker B:They're like, technically, she went 16 years without a single seizure.
Speaker A:Seizure.
Speaker B:And I'm like, oh, my God, this is so up.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:And I think what makes it to your point earlier, what makes it even more up is the reality basis.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, I.
Speaker A:It's not a stretch to see this.
Speaker B:There's a drug company that would do this.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Like, there's probably a few.
Speaker A:Several.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Because of the edge.
Speaker A:It would be the edge over your competitor is what it would be.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And the amount of money if Johnson
Speaker A:and Johnson found a little island like this.
Speaker A:Dude, they're putting up walls.
Speaker A:They're getting a nice little agreement placed out and 100%.
Speaker A:They're giving away sweepstakes.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Because the all expenses, you know, $50,000 trip, it's nothing compared to.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, no, we have a 100% secure 100, no fail cure for pancreatic cancer.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:We did it in three months.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The billions roll in.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:50,000 to drop in the bucket.
Speaker B:10,000.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Although that's wild.
Speaker B:It's so gross.
Speaker B:But that's what makes the movie effective, in my opinion, is the fact that
Speaker A:you can easily see it happen.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:It's rough.
Speaker A:It's crazy.
Speaker A:So I'll get to the part where I. I said this was a little bit mid for me.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:And I think you touched on a little bit with your expectations for as good as the whole kind of plot thickening is for me, this is.
Speaker A:This isn't like, you know, Sixth Sense.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:Where it's just like, mind blown oh my gosh type of a thing.
Speaker A:The payoff, it didn't hit for me as heavy as that, we'll say.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I look back, and it's like, dude, you had an A plus can lead up.
Speaker A:Your storytelling is great.
Speaker A:Your punchline, your payoff.
Speaker A:B minus.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Still good.
Speaker A:Still good.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:But you're.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker A:It's like, you know those drawings where people do.
Speaker A:Where they, like, show different stages of, like, a horse and the horse.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then you get to the end.
Speaker A:It's like something I would draw.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's almost like that, for me, that.
Speaker A:Except going in the reverse order.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You're.
Speaker A:You're drawing so great, and then you just get to the end, and it's just like.
Speaker A:You draw a very typical smiley face, Right.
Speaker A:You draw the W smiley face on the horse as a way to.
Speaker A:Way to tie it all together.
Speaker A:And so it's.
Speaker A:It's almost a. I'll say a letdown in many ways, because I'm like, oh, that's it.
Speaker A:Like that.
Speaker A:Like, I. I can see this happening.
Speaker A:That's realistic.
Speaker A:I feel it.
Speaker A:I understand it.
Speaker A:But I'm not going with the oh, my gosh type of a thing when.
Speaker A:When the lead up to it, like, I. I would almost cut this even earlier to just where.
Speaker A:Because you have this kind of lead up where he remembers the note his buddy gave him.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:That he meant about the coral, and he sees the coral, and he kind of puts two and two together, and I almost would have left it on a cliffhanger.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Like, have him get out of the coral and get onto, you know, the shore at a different spot and then cut it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because that is the, oh, my gosh type of a moment that I was at.
Speaker A:And then, you know, having the spinning, where it's like, oh, yeah, this is just a corporate retreat, essentially, where they're testing all these different drugs.
Speaker A:So I was like, oh, yeah, no.
Speaker A:Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Very, very.
Speaker A:Not, like, supernatural, oh, my gosh type of a thing.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's more of a. Oh, yeah, no.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, I see that happen.
Speaker A:That makes sense.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm all on board.
Speaker A:This definitely is happening somewhere.
Speaker B:Yeah, I. I agree with you.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:I think for me, what pushed it so high is the.
Speaker B:The middle part, like, the.
Speaker B:The intensity of the whole thing, like, trying to figure out, like, you know, they're aging, things like that.
Speaker B:But, like, you have these moments, like the pregnancy stuff.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Like, it's just brutal.
Speaker B:And then the end, like.
Speaker B:Like you said, with the.
Speaker B:The brittle bone, like, where she's like, she looks just twisted because it's all healing.
Speaker B:Like, it was so bad.
Speaker B:So there's just so.
Speaker B:And then, like, everybody's one.
Speaker B:You all.
Speaker B:Every time they show Rufus soul, you're like, well, who's he gonna merc now?
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Got that look.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it's like, there was so much intensity.
Speaker B:But I'm with you.
Speaker B:I like the idea of.
Speaker B:I would have liked to him have them show, like, up to the point that the blonde.
Speaker B:Which also, there was some weirdness at the end there, too.
Speaker B:Like when.
Speaker B:When they get back to the hotel.
Speaker B:And, like, the blonde waiter waitress, when she realizes what's.
Speaker B:Like, it almost looks like she's, like, full panic attack, but she knows what's happening.
Speaker B:So why is this?
Speaker B:Like, 10 minutes ago, she was in the lab, didn't give a.
Speaker B:Like, why all of a sudden does she seem like she's all traumatized?
Speaker B:Maybe because she had to see the work instead of just hearing about it.
Speaker B:I. I don't know.
Speaker B:That separation can make things a little easier sometimes in situations like that, but I did.
Speaker B:That bothered me.
Speaker B:But I would have loved to have seen, like, you just see the two of them step into the hotel.
Speaker B:Because I also hate that they went to the cops, because.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, dude, you do that.
Speaker B:You're not go.
Speaker B:I'm not going to the cops.
Speaker B:I'm murdering everybody.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Like, I. I'm telling every guest, you need to leave now and then take
Speaker A:your passport with you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anybody that works there, you're done.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:What do I care?
Speaker B:You just took 50 years of my life.
Speaker B:What do I care?
Speaker B:What do I care?
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker A:That's a good point, because where my mind went as well.
Speaker A:And this is just a me thing.
Speaker A:I 100 now is because they gave me too much at the end.
Speaker A:I started thinking, man, this dude doesn't have no job, no job experience, doesn't know anything, how to do anything.
Speaker A:He just went from being 10 to 50 years old in a single day.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, what is he gonna do when he gets back?
Speaker A:Good luck on trying to get back on your passport, by the way.
Speaker A:They are never gonna fall for that in a hundred years.
Speaker A:And so it's like, what do you do at that point?
Speaker A:And so that's where my mind was going.
Speaker A:Like, man, he doesn't have a driver's license.
Speaker A:He doesn't have.
Speaker B:Oh, I thought the same thing.
Speaker A:Any work experience, doesn't know what skills.
Speaker A:Yeah, no skills.
Speaker A:But he's being Dropped off or, you know, now he's 50.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What are you gonna do?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I guess they're taking him to his aunt's house.
Speaker B:Like how would you feel if a 50 year old man called and said 6 year old nephew?
Speaker B:I, I, and I get that was like trying to be resolution of oh, the aunt's gonna take care of him.
Speaker B:But at the same time like, yeah,
Speaker A:like I said, that's weird.
Speaker B:And I understand too that the, I get that there's still, I don't know, it's twofold.
Speaker B:Because another thing that bothered me is I get to the end and it's like they want me to still look at them as a 6 and 11 year old.
Speaker B:But there were these moments throughout where they're like my mind is changing and I'm having all these thoughts.
Speaker B:And then you have, at the end, that level of maturity starts to show that, that neurologically there's been some, some changes that have happened over time as well.
Speaker B:And they've, you know, they've had to deal with happiness and trauma just in a very hurried.
Speaker B:But you can't, you can't lead me to believe in one moment that they're neurologically changing at a pace that's much more rapid and, and adapting to adulthood in some levels and then turn around to me and then want me to feel like they're still 6 and 11 at the end of the movie.
Speaker B:Like you can't have it both ways.
Speaker B:I'm okay.
Speaker B:If neurologically we see and they play it as if they're still a 6 and 11 year old for the most part that have now just been through some serious trauma.
Speaker B:Now you run into a bunch of issues with that.
Speaker B:If they're still 6 and 11, they're probably not going to figure out the coral.
Speaker B:They're not going to figure out a lot of things because you need that higher level mentality.
Speaker B:Even though they still portray this six year old as somewhat level of like I wanted to say he was kind of on the spectrum or he's a genius on some level with the codes and remembering people's names.
Speaker B:At the very least he's got some sort of, you know, perfect memory but for photographic memory.
Speaker B:But anyway, like it's just there's a lot of things trying to explain away the fact that I go is he still 6 mentally or is he an adult mentally?
Speaker B:Because you can't do both.
Speaker B:You can't have both and have it be effective.
Speaker B:So that was one of the things that, because I thought the same too, like all through they show them maturing at a more rapid pace.
Speaker B:Now, obviously, there's still some childlike things that are going through it, but by the end, they don't act like children, you know what I mean?
Speaker B:In any way, shape, or form that we see.
Speaker B:And then at the same time, like, we have this innocence when they come back of, well, I'm gonna run to a police officer and I'm gonna call my aunt.
Speaker B:And, you know.
Speaker B:But then the immediately follow it with the maturity of understanding why she's, like, up because her.
Speaker B:The whole situation.
Speaker B:Like I said, I would rather him just matured.
Speaker B:And this guy goes, well, you just took 44 years of my life away.
Speaker B:I'm gonna burn this joint to the ground.
Speaker B:Like, anyway, that's what I want.
Speaker B:Like, and again, I don't need to see it, but let me have that.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker A:Well, it's that moment.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:Like, and I'll.
Speaker A:I keep talking about the sixth sense, but it's that moment when you learn what's happening, then you see everything and then it stops.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:There's no.
Speaker A:There's not this added bit.
Speaker A:And so that's things, like, there's just too much at the end of this and a little bit of not knowing exactly what direction you're gonna go.
Speaker A:But it's like.
Speaker A:That's what's like, cut us sooner.
Speaker A:Because if you're not gonna show, like, this big kind of mic drop moment or you're gonna have your mic drop moment earlier, you're gonna miss out on what M. Night's really big thing is, which is this impossible twist that just flips a switch.
Speaker A:You go, oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then it creates a little bit of that rewatch ability because as you go through, you see every single, you know, connecting of the dot.
Speaker A:But this, like, you know, we're talking about, like, well, what.
Speaker B:Where.
Speaker A:Why are we at this point?
Speaker A:Like, where are we going?
Speaker A:How did we get there?
Speaker A:And it's very much not what you expect with whenever Night hits is It's.
Speaker A:It's just like, oh, my gosh.
Speaker A:Cinematic gold.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:He does such a great job.
Speaker A:When he does such a great job.
Speaker A:And so it's like, there's almost just too much at the ending.
Speaker A:You're.
Speaker A:You're almost there.
Speaker B:Yep, yep.
Speaker B:That's fair.
Speaker B:That's fair.
Speaker B:Well, and it slows down bad at the end, too.
Speaker B:Like, the whole thing, I, you know, played well super fast.
Speaker B:And then we get to the end and it's like drags a little bit, and I'm like, so I'm with you.
Speaker B:Like, I could.
Speaker B:They could have ended it with.
Speaker B:On a cliffhanger.
Speaker B:And I would have been perfectly happy with that.
Speaker A:Because that's almost like the expectation.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Is that you're.
Speaker A:You're with M. Night.
Speaker A:You're not gonna get the story that you necessarily want.
Speaker A:You're gonna get the story he's gonna tell you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And this almost felt like trying to give the ending that everybody wanted, that little bit of a happy ending, but adding realism factor or this or that.
Speaker A:And for me, it's just like, oh, you.
Speaker A:You're just too noisy there at the end.
Speaker A:Because even having that slow down of like, the acceptance of we're gonna.
Speaker A:We're gonna die here.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, you know, we're the last two people here type of thing.
Speaker A:And then you get a little bit kick where it's like the coral.
Speaker A:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker A:You know, like.
Speaker A:Yeah, give it a shot.
Speaker B:Why not?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then you still have 25 minutes of movie.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:For me, I was all watches like kin hour dragon.
Speaker A:I'm starting to think about this dude and what he's gonna do after he gets back to the mainland or whatever it is and what's next on his agenda.
Speaker A:And I pulled out of the movie.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Now I'm like, dude, the IRS is gonna come for him and want to know what happened to 44 years of dex.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Not to mention that dude's gonna be end up in a lab somewhere.
Speaker B:Those two, to get studied and g. Well.
Speaker B:And then at the end, they're on that chopper and they're flying towards the island.
Speaker B:I'm like, why are you going?
Speaker B:Don't.
Speaker B:What's gonna happen when you all pass the out?
Speaker B:Like, don't do that.
Speaker B:So then they turn around.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, God.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And then I was like, for a second too.
Speaker B:Because what else would have been cool is when they pull up that helicopter, like, I was waiting for it to be like some sort of chopper that had some missiles or some.
Speaker B:And they were gonna blow up the wall, like, get it?
Speaker B:But no, they left standing.
Speaker B:I was like, why somebody else is gonna do this if you leave it there?
Speaker B:Like, anyway.
Speaker B:Should we rate it?
Speaker A:Let's do it.
Speaker B:All right, boss, you're first.
Speaker A:My movie.
Speaker A:I go first.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm gonna give it three and a half.
Speaker A:I think it's good.
Speaker A:I think it tells a compelling story.
Speaker A:I like the realism factor.
Speaker A:It's just like I mentioned a couple times, it's missing that little Bit of or just it does a little bit too much.
Speaker A:And so as a whole, when I look at it, I'm like, it's enjoyable, I like it.
Speaker A:But it's.
Speaker A:It's not a perfect movie.
Speaker A:It's not even perfect M Night.
Speaker A:So it's it.
Speaker A:That's why I was like, this is what I see is almost a mid one.
Speaker A:Because he was there, he had everything.
Speaker A:He just went a little bit too far, in my opinion.
Speaker A:I'll give it three and a half.
Speaker A:And I can see myself occasionally sitting down to watch this, but it's such a heavy, intense movie that it's not like, oh, just put this on as background noise.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's not that type of movie.
Speaker A:But yeah, three and a half for me.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm gonna give it a four.
Speaker B:I think what happens in the middle of this movie to me is good enough that I can forgive the parts that I'm like at the end, which is.
Speaker B:It's funny because to be a comparative person for a minute, like my least favorite M. Night Shyamalan movie is the Village.
Speaker B:And that's because I figured it out too fast.
Speaker B:And then the middle of the movie wasn't very good.
Speaker B:Like the twist is really good on that movie.
Speaker B:Like it's cool.
Speaker B:Like even though I figured it out early, that's not anybody else's fault.
Speaker B:I just figured it out.
Speaker B:But the middle of the movie's not very good.
Speaker B:Like I'm just like, I'm bored.
Speaker B:Like that was.
Speaker B:And even Casey and a couple friends are like, yeah, it's just boring.
Speaker B:Like it just wasn't that same.
Speaker B:This is not boring.
Speaker B:Like this movie is.
Speaker B:Like it is rough.
Speaker B:Like it is edge of the seat because you're like, oh God, what awful thing is going to happen to these people next?
Speaker B:And you just can't.
Speaker B:It's like a car, right?
Speaker B:You just can't stop looking at it.
Speaker B:And yet it's played in such a way that in between these moments of trauma, there's some very good dialogue and very good record.
Speaker B:Like you see almost the human experience in fast forward, right?
Speaker B:And they do it very well in this movie to where you start to see the life lessons and the forgiveness and the, you know, the anger and the like all these things that we all kind of go through.
Speaker B:You see it in this two hour format, right?
Speaker B:And it was very well done.
Speaker B:And then they have to have the twist, but to your point, like they just drug it out too long.
Speaker B:Like if they had left it real short, even if they didn't Leave it on a cliffhanger.
Speaker B:If they give us everything that they gave us, but they gave it to us fast.
Speaker B:Instead of, like, the whole.
Speaker B:We get the scene where they're doing it, and then he goes and says, you're a cop.
Speaker B:And then cut to black.
Speaker B:And instead of, like, them going through the motions of the next group of people, it's just everybody's being hauled away, right?
Speaker B:And then they're on the helicopter.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:That would have made a much bigger difference for me than 20 minutes of, like, okay, wrap it up.
Speaker B:Like, you're.
Speaker B:You're just diminishing everything that I just went through for an hour and 30 minutes with these people.
Speaker B:And so anyway, like, that's my big thing.
Speaker B:But I forgive a lot of it because I was uncomfortable for an hour and a half.
Speaker B:Like, I was like, I want to see what's coming next, but I don't, like, stop it.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:So, yeah, four for me.
Speaker B:And I. I would not actively seek this movie out.
Speaker B:Like, it's a hard watch in a lot of places, but I would watch it with someone that had never seen it before to.
Speaker B:To watch the discomfort and the, you know, the expectation and the realization and all that stuff go through.
Speaker B:Like, I enjoy watching people's experience like that, so I would watch it with someone that had never seen it before.
Speaker B:So there it is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker B:All right, Alec, tell everybody where they can find us when we're not trying to reverse time.
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