The Dead Don't Die (2019)
The primary focus of this podcast episode is an in-depth analysis of the film "The Dead Don't Die," which serves as a striking illustration of cinematic perplexity. Alec and JJ engage in a critical discourse regarding the film's narrative structure, character development, and overall coherence, or lack thereof. Throughout our examination, we articulate our bewilderment at the film's erratic pacing and the seemingly arbitrary choices made by its director, Jim Jarmusch. We delve into the implications of the star-studded cast, questioning the rationale behind their involvement in a project that appears to lack a definitive purpose. As we navigate through our thoughts, we invite listeners to ponder the broader question of how such films ascend to production, sparking a dialogue on the intricacies of filmmaking and audience reception.
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You had have to strap me to a chair and tape my eyeballs open like this movie was.
Speaker A:Welcome to the what's Overdick Podcast.
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Speaker A:My name is J.J. crowder.
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Speaker A:Anyway, so we are kicking into a new month of January and a new year.
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Speaker A: Dude, it's: Speaker A:But yeah, like this month, I.
Speaker A:If I ever see Charles, I'm gonna kick him in the shins because this one hurt and I lost, which made it even worse.
Speaker A:Yeah, we're into how did this get made Movies like how this get made and we are kicking it off with a bang.
Speaker A:I don't know if this is the worst of the bunch, but it.
Speaker A:I think they're just bad.
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Speaker A:This one's there.
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Speaker A:So with all that said, let's jump into the first week one movies how that we have no idea how they got made.
Speaker A:And we're kicking it off with the Dead Don't Die.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:It was written and directed by Jim Jarmusch.
Speaker A:I think that's stars.
Speaker A:Oh, let me take a deep breath.
Speaker B:Stars a lot of people, dude.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:Which is a whole conversation we need to have.
Speaker A:But it stars Bill Murray, Adam Driver, Tilda Swinton, Tom Waits, Chloe 70, Steve Buscemi, Esther Balint, Danny Glover, Maya Delmont, Talia Whitaker, Jahi Dahlio Winston, Kevin McCormick, Caleb Landry Jones, Sid O', Connor, Rizza, Larry Fessenden, Rosie Perez, Jody Markle.
Speaker A:And it just continues to go on.
Speaker A:But that's where I'm gonna stop.
Speaker A:And this is the greatest synopsis I've ever read on this podcast.
Speaker A:The focus is on the sleepy small town of Centerville, where the dead become undead.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:That's all we get.
Speaker A:And it's accurate.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's accurate, but it's a little.
Speaker A:It's a little.
Speaker A:It's a little.
Speaker A:I don't know, maybe that's all it is.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:Maybe I'm over complicating this because there's not much else to this movie, but.
Speaker A:Yeah, I. I need to know where you came up with this movie, my friend.
Speaker A:I. Yeah, I'll let you speak and then I will.
Speaker B:This is one of those where I got excited by the end goal and the topic and.
Speaker B:And kind of forgot that I would also have to watch these movies.
Speaker B:So that, that came as a real, real wake up call when I, you know, started watching this on.
Speaker B:I think it was Netflix things.
Speaker B:That's where I found.
Speaker B:But this is, this is a weird one because in my argument for why it got made was completely wrong.
Speaker B:But in my mind, I fully envisioned this was a Covid move movie.
Speaker B:And it.
Speaker B:It's not.
Speaker B:It came out before COVID hit, but I think I saw it during COVID And the way it's just built and organized makes you think this has to be a Covid movie because you have Bill Murray, Danny Glover, Steve Buscemi all in the same movie.
Speaker B:You have.
Speaker B:Then you got Adam Driver who's like fresh off of Star wars at this point.
Speaker A:Mm.
Speaker B:You've got Selena Gomez, who.
Speaker B:Her music career is really what made her famous, but it hadn't really taken Haken off yet.
Speaker B:And so she's still like transitioning from tv, working at Disney and going to music career before that really teleports in her start.
Speaker B:And they got Austin Butler, who hit his stride about four years later.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Then Tilda Swinton.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Who again, you have all these people who are like on the cusp of either really hitting their break or are right.
Speaker B:Like that B tier, A tier kind of flip flopping.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:They're not gonna be that big blockbuster bringing the money, but they're gonna put up a solid performance.
Speaker B:And I was, I was thinking this year, I'm like this, this had to be a Covid movie where everybody's got contracts about a certain amount of movies they have to fill or they, you know, are needing work or something along those lines.
Speaker B:And so it's just, hey, yeah, you know, throw it back in, check off your contract movie that you did and move on to your next thing.
Speaker B:Because there is no other reason to group this many.
Speaker B:We'll say stars, this many stars into a really just not well thought out movie.
Speaker B:Yeah, it flip flops back and forth.
Speaker B:There's.
Speaker B:There's just no good plot line that covers front to back, but they can't decide whether they just want to go stupid crazy and no plot line or actually have something going.
Speaker B:So they have all these loose ends end up at the end.
Speaker B:And then you've got the.
Speaker B:The really weird fourth wall break that is going through the entire thing.
Speaker B:And so my idea, this is made.
Speaker A:Because it's Covid movie.
Speaker B:Completely wrong.
Speaker B:And I'm back into.
Speaker B:I have no idea why this was made.
Speaker B:Doesn't have the same, like Ash versus Evil Dead kind of vibe that it was almost going for.
Speaker B:I would almost put this in the same category as something like Rubber, except Rubber leans into the fact that there is no point to this movie.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it has a cast to back up the fact that this.
Speaker B:There's no point.
Speaker B:They don't have a cast.
Speaker B:They went here.
Speaker B:They have the same kind of stupid.
Speaker B:You know, I want to say stupid, but they have the same kind of thing, right.
Speaker B:You got the crazy guy in the woods who's watching everything unfold.
Speaker B:He's your narrator.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:But then you have this cast that, you know, knows the story or, you know, it's.
Speaker B:It's in the script.
Speaker B:And this.
Speaker B:It's gonna get worse from here.
Speaker B:And all this stuff is unfolding.
Speaker B:But then you have all these catch 22s that are thrown in there to try and be the shock and awe.
Speaker B:And at the end you're just kind of.
Speaker B:Did I watch.
Speaker B:Why was it made?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And So I.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's too long for what it is.
Speaker B:And they.
Speaker B:They add things to make it longer.
Speaker B:They had stupid monologues or the.
Speaker B:The simple fact that you run through the same piece of dialogue four different times.
Speaker B:Like the diner scene.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:Where it's.
Speaker B:Everybody comes to the same conclusion.
Speaker B:It's either an animal or several animals.
Speaker B:And you go through that with Bill Murray.
Speaker B:Then you go through with Driver.
Speaker B:You go through with.
Speaker B:I don't know the actress's name, but you go through with her.
Speaker B:And then it circles back again because you go through with the news cast that's being shown with Selena Gomez, also Butler in the hotel, in the motel room.
Speaker B:And so you have all these different.
Speaker B:It's almost like they went to.
Speaker B:They picked different parts of movies that.
Speaker B:That they wanted and threw them all together and couldn't make up their mind with, hey, we want this to be a story that, you know, start, finish, middle, and we're gonna fall on the pine.
Speaker B:Doesn't make sense.
Speaker B:Versus we're just gonna throw this to the wind and see what lands.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it didn't land very well, dude.
Speaker B: m doing good year week one in: Speaker B:And I pick a movie JJ has never seen before.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Hard thing to do.
Speaker B:You've seen, like every movie.
Speaker A:I have seen a lot of movies.
Speaker A:And yeah, I had never seen this with purpose.
Speaker A:Like, I was very aware of this movie when it came out because I remember again, not long after, you know, the.
Speaker A:The couple years after, at least I have to go back for the timeline.
Speaker A:But at least the first Star Wars Force Awakened had come out, obviously, because there's.
Speaker A:Let me start with the good part of this movie is there's some really funny, out of context references in this movie that make me giggle like that.
Speaker A:In the Star Wars.
Speaker A:The constant Star wars jokes, like, were one of the things that got me a couple of times.
Speaker A:And that's probably because of my love for Star wars, but it made me giggle.
Speaker A:And then there's some, like, references like Iggy Pop, like his whole connection to, you know, the.
Speaker A:The whole, like, rock star, like, who he seemed like he was doing.
Speaker A:And then like the.
Speaker A:The backstory, if you read his back.
Speaker A:The backstory of his character at all.
Speaker A:Like the fact that they were coming from a concert that.
Speaker A:With bands that he, as a rock star played with.
Speaker A:Anyway, there was a lot of, like, tongue and cheek references to the actual people, the actors in real life versus their character and how that connected.
Speaker A:So I found that funny.
Speaker A:However, on the same flip side, like, I remember when the previews for this came out and I'm like, jesus, what a cast.
Speaker A:I have no desire to see this movie.
Speaker A:And I think part of that too could have been.
Speaker A:I was like, a few years before this, and I say a few.
Speaker A:I think it's like six years, five, six years before this, there was a movie that came out called Movie 43, which almost ended up on my list of how did this get made on this thing.
Speaker A:But then I, I recognized that I would have to watch that movie again and did not put it on the list because it should it belong.
Speaker A:If you have seen it, did you ever see movie?
Speaker B:But I've heard stories.
Speaker A:Christmas, Casey and I went to the movie theater and we were this close to leaving, but we just kept going.
Speaker A:I have to see where this goes.
Speaker A:What else happens in this movie, for better or for worse.
Speaker A:And so I, I've learned, I learned at that point, like, don't be tricked by a cast, right?
Speaker A:So I never saw this movie and I actively avoided it.
Speaker A:And I was like, tried to forget that it ever existed.
Speaker A:And then it showed up on your list and I went, God damn it, this thing.
Speaker A:I know our patron well enough that I'm gonna have to watch this goddamn movie.
Speaker A:And sure enough.
Speaker A:But yeah, so, like, it's terrible.
Speaker A:And I just didn't understand it.
Speaker A:And sometimes, like, I won't, I won't lie, these first two movies that we're doing, like, gave me a bit of a complex while I was watching them going, am I just stupid?
Speaker A:Do I just not understand what they're trying to do here?
Speaker A:And I, I, either I'm stupid, which I'm okay with, or I just, I don't think anybody can fully understand what.
Speaker A:I don't even think the people that made this movie, actors, writer, director, I don't even think they understand what they were trying to do with this movie because it makes no sense.
Speaker A:And I was like, watching it, going, what am I watching?
Speaker A:And even like movie 43, which is terrible, like, skit based movie with like the most insane, inane, ridiculous, like Hugh Jackman with a ball sack on his chin, like, it, even that.
Speaker A:I was like, okay, they're trying to make fun of a lot of, right?
Speaker A:Like, and they're trying to have a lot of satire around the movie industry and this thing, this, that and the other.
Speaker A:But this movie, I don't, I can't figure it out.
Speaker A:And we've talked about this a million times on the podcast.
Speaker A:Like, I Hate when I can't figure out like it bothers the out of me.
Speaker A:Even if it's a terrible movie, if I can understand the point that they're trying to make, then I can forgive it to a certain degree.
Speaker A:I don't this movie, I don't get it.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, because like I mentioned rubber, right.
Speaker B:I love rubber.
Speaker B:This in a rubber should be in the same kind of group of movies.
Speaker B:Just there, there's no purpose, there's no sense that's made from them.
Speaker B:But the, the problem is rubber makes more sense than this movie does.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And there is just like, like what's with the kids?
Speaker B:The kids are in the detention center.
Speaker B:What is the purpose except to fill time and add just a way to cut away from a scene.
Speaker B:There's no, there's no purpose.
Speaker B:Last we see of them, they're running into the dark woods.
Speaker B:Like we don't get a, we don't get a wrap up to their story or a point or a purpose for them to be there.
Speaker B:They play no part.
Speaker B:And then the other thing is spoilers.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Tilda Swinton being a freaking alien and like her almost being the cause of this now I'm my surprise JJ but one of my favorite TV shows is the old school Twilight Zone and they have an episode that is this exact movie.
Speaker B:Oh really Pretty close to it.
Speaker B:And it's, it's simply aliens come down to like Main street and they.
Speaker B:With everybody and they by turning stuff off randomly turn it back on.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And it like you know, it's to watch pretty much society the stable.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Just like how quickly will people turn against each other if you take away convenience or whatnot.
Speaker B:And so she walks up the computer, types it.
Speaker B:I'm like oh geez, here we go.
Speaker B:And then having her just kind of like being a part of this cause of turning this community against each other grant a little bit different but having that same story.
Speaker B:I'm like are you kidding me?
Speaker B:And then yep, here comes a UFO flying down.
Speaker B:Lift her up and it's like dude, like why?
Speaker B:You don't need it.
Speaker B:You don't need this added alien.
Speaker B:You don't need a cause.
Speaker B:You don't.
Speaker B:Especially if you're going to leave other parts of your story so open ended that they're not going to wrap up.
Speaker B:And so like my favorite part of this movie is freaking Steve Buscemi.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:As like your MAGA farmer, just far right conservative dick.
Speaker B:Cracks me up because everything surrounding him and his character is so funny down to the point of like you know, even Adam Driver and Bill Murray when they're like, oh, sure, we warm Farmer Mac or whatever.
Speaker B:No farmer.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker B:And it's just like, that's the best part.
Speaker B:And I would have much rather just lean into that and lean into the story of this town versus adding all this extra science slash supernatural that serves no point or purpose.
Speaker B:Especially when you have like, like the payoff is Adam Driver saying, that wasn't in my script.
Speaker B:That's the payoff for it.
Speaker B:Yeah, but everything.
Speaker B:But the fact that he already knew what is happening means that it doesn't play any part.
Speaker B:So there's no point in purpose for it.
Speaker B:And it just, it's going back and forth between having a script and having this purpose versus.
Speaker B:Oh, that we're just going to throw in all this random stuff to, you know, throw it in there and bundle it up nice and pretty and here's your movie.
Speaker B:Netflix.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I, yeah.
Speaker A:Was this a Netflix?
Speaker A:This wasn't a Netflix.
Speaker B:Like, I don't think it was original.
Speaker A:It'S just that they have.
Speaker A:Yeah, I was gonna say I think it came out in theater.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:Here.
Speaker B:It shouldn't have.
Speaker A:But no, I, you know, and it's interesting.
Speaker A:Like, I, you can see the poster below us if you're watching on YouTube and it's got like winningly eccentric and laugh out loud hilarious.
Speaker B:And I'm like, no, everything in this movie has been done better in another movie.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I listen, I, I appreciate a good anti Hollywood satirical.
Speaker A:You know, we live in a ridiculous town, we do ridiculous work and we make ridiculous money doing ridiculous work in a ridiculous town.
Speaker A:Like, I love that kind of.
Speaker A:Because I think Hollywood would be better off if it was a little more self aware across the board instead of thinking it's like all roads lead to Hollywood and Cal.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, I think, excuse me.
Speaker A:There's a lot of delusional that happens coming out of Hollywood in that arena in, in filmmaking and things like that.
Speaker A:And so I always appreciate a good Hollywood satire.
Speaker A:And that almost feels like what they were aiming for on some level here with like the whole.
Speaker A:It wasn't in my script.
Speaker A:And like the references to the fact that these characters know that they're making a movie or that they're being at the very least filmed or there's, you know, and there's some that are further in on the joke than the others.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like some that don't realize they're in a movie at all and others realize all too well that they're in a movie and that there's a script.
Speaker A:But if you're gonna lean into the full on satire, then lean into it.
Speaker A:Like, let's have it be that there's a group of people that know they're in a movie and this movie goes to.
Speaker A:Because there's a zombie apocalypse.
Speaker A:And leave.
Speaker A:I'm with you.
Speaker A:Leave the alien.
Speaker A:As much as I love Tilda Swinton's the best part of this movie, if you ask me, like as far as just listening to her Scottish accent and then the kill bill almost reference of the sword and like the law.
Speaker A:It makes me laugh probably more than anything else in this movie.
Speaker A:And the fact.
Speaker A:And she.
Speaker A:I love Tilda Swinton because she's weird and typically out of character and not your norm.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So I like how.
Speaker A:And I love how androgynous and how like she can play pretty much anything.
Speaker A:I mean, she's played.
Speaker A:I think she played Bob Dylan for a minute.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, she's so diverse and she can stretch and do weird things.
Speaker A:However, like, I just think they missed the boat.
Speaker A:Like I.
Speaker A:And I think that's part of the problem that I go back to.
Speaker A:Like, I don't understand why you made this movie, let alone how this movie got made.
Speaker A:I think I could forgive the fact that this movie should never have been made if I understood fully why you were making this movie or if there was even a point at all besides just the fact that you wanted to make an independent film.
Speaker A:Now my next question goes to who the fuck is Jim Jarmusch and how the fuck did he get these people to act?
Speaker A:Because that's my next.
Speaker A:Like, I do not understand.
Speaker B:I, I don't know who he is, but I know he's worked with Bill Murray before and there.
Speaker B:So, so that it's almost like you have to be part of the inside jokes to understand the movie.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because you have that little rant where Bill Murray's talking about how he only got like his lines.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like his scenes.
Speaker B:And he's railing on Jim, who's the guy who made the movie.
Speaker B:And so it's like, you know, it's, it's like him bagging on his buddy in a way, who he's known for so many years, he's done a lot of projects for.
Speaker B:But you don't know that unless you know that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you know, Jim Jarmusch is not your Christopher Nolan or he's not your James Cameron.
Speaker B:He's not the, the recognizable Hollywood director name.
Speaker B:Even Ryan Howard.
Speaker B:Throw that in there.
Speaker B:So It's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It doesn't work unless you're in the actual conversation or in on the inside joke, seeing how this plays out.
Speaker B:And, I mean, you could even put this.
Speaker B:Oh, what is the.
Speaker B:The Cornetto trilogy, right?
Speaker B:Is that what it's called?
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:With Hot Fuzz and Shaun of the Dead, and I can't remember the third one, but that makes sense because they bring you into the joke, and then you're a part of it over the course of several movies.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Just expecting you to already understand or be a part of the conversation.
Speaker B:You're in on the joke.
Speaker B:Here you go.
Speaker B:Here's.
Speaker B:Here's your script.
Speaker B:Here's your scenes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Here's your costume.
Speaker B:Off you go.
Speaker B:And it doesn't do the.
Speaker B:The job of bringing you in and letting you in on the joke or the.
Speaker B:You know, what's happening and what's going on.
Speaker B:And so it's like everything this movie kind of brings has been done better somewhere else.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you should go view it somewhere else because Feels better.
Speaker B:And you walk away going, okay, cool.
Speaker B:I can understand what's happening.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But this just almost, like, try to jump the line in a way and just.
Speaker B:Okay, we're gonna start off with everybody knowing the joke, but we're not gonna take any time bringing you in on it.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker A:I did just read because I.
Speaker A:Like I said, I had no idea who this guy was, but looks like, wow, there's no full cast.
Speaker A:He also directed Coffee and Cigarettes.
Speaker B:Never seen it.
Speaker B:Never even heard of that.
Speaker A:It's a.
Speaker A:It's a weird.
Speaker B:Well, I could figure that out.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, I. I think it's one of those things where it's like.
Speaker A:So coffee and Cigarettes was.
Speaker A:Yeah, that makes so much more sense now, knowing.
Speaker A:I mean, it's been a long time since I have watched Coffee and Cigarettes.
Speaker A:So he did two different versions.
Speaker A: There was one back in: Speaker A: And then in: Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:He made one with basically the same cast as this movie, just not like the young people.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like, it had Bill Murray and Tom Waits and it had Iggy Pop and it had RZA and it had Jack White, Cate Blanchett, like.
Speaker A:And basically they all just sit around having coffee and cigarettes and talking, like.
Speaker A:And again, it's one of these Movies that I remember watching, going.
Speaker A:In fact, I think I turned it off because I didn't go to the theater to see it.
Speaker A:But I think I was like, oh, this is stupid, because again, I, Yeah, I just think this dude's weird now that I, that's the only thing that he's done that I recognized, like, is coffee and cigarettes.
Speaker A:And it's, it's just vignettes and there are, it's all centered around coffee and cigarettes.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:It's pretty much it.
Speaker A:But, yeah, that's, that's this guy's.
Speaker B:It just.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Can't say anything better than that.
Speaker A:Like, I'm just looking at his, his filmography as a director and a writer, and he's.
Speaker A:It's just most of this I've never even heard of, which means I think the only other movie that I've heard of was Broken Flowers.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Again, never seen it.
Speaker A:And I only know it because he must have, like a big partnership with Bill Murray, which is probably why he's able to get these people to do these movies, because Bill probably calls.
Speaker A:Everybody goes, hey, come be in a movie with me.
Speaker A:Yeah, dude, I hate you for making me watch this movie.
Speaker B:Like, you're welcome.
Speaker A:I was cursing your ass the whole hour and 44 minutes.
Speaker B:I was like, which is stupid long run time movie.
Speaker B:It's an hour 45, like you said.
Speaker B:Feels like three.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I swear, I think I got to the point because it's a, it's a rough watch for me too.
Speaker B:This isn't something that I enjoy torturing you with as much as I normally do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, I remember, like, how, thinking how much longer I, you know, check, 40 minutes.
Speaker B:And I was like, oh, please, no, dude, because it just drags.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:You could get away with 45 minutes and still tell the same exact story.
Speaker B:Make it a short film.
Speaker B:Put it out with Sundance or something like that.
Speaker B:Win Sundance because you got the best cast and.
Speaker A:You know, God, dude, I think you just spoke some genius that I was.
Speaker A:I look back on again, I looked at his filmography.
Speaker A:Sorry, if you guys can hear the Fast and the Furious across the street, they're revving up their engine to go to work.
Speaker A:I guess.
Speaker A:I, I, A lot of what he did was shorts as a writer and director, especially early on.
Speaker A:And I, it's funny because I think maybe that's part of it.
Speaker A:Like, he writes and directs shorts with shorts in mind.
Speaker A:And so when you take a short and try to make it a full feature length film, you have to really make some stretches across the board.
Speaker A:And I think when I think of it from that perspective, this movie makes a little more sense from why it is the way that it is.
Speaker A:Because I feel like this was like based on a 15, 20 minute.
Speaker A:This would be funny.
Speaker A:And then let's stretch it out over an hour and 40 minutes.
Speaker A:Hour and 40, whatever.
Speaker A:And you have to throw in just dumb to make it go that long.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Well, now that you bring that up, here's what I would have done.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:I think the movie or TV show is called Flashpoint.
Speaker B:I would have done that.
Speaker B:Where you get everybody's point of view.
Speaker B:So you start with Bill Murray and Adam Driver is as the cops.
Speaker B:And then that's 20 minutes.
Speaker B:Yeah, story for 20 minutes.
Speaker B:Then you switch.
Speaker B:They kind of do that, but not as specifically as.
Speaker B:Then you switch to like Selena Gomez and Austin Butler, their crew, the kids who come from out of town, switch to their point of view and you tell the same exact story just from their point of view.
Speaker B:And then you switch over to like Steve Buscemi or Danny Glover and you tell the story again, third time, fourth time from their point of view.
Speaker B:And then you do tilt at the end.
Speaker B:So you still get everybody.
Speaker B:You still have like Bill Murray, Adam Driver and Bill Murray's undoubtedly the guy that supposed to be front and center.
Speaker B:So you still get him in everybody's story.
Speaker B:It's just from their points of view.
Speaker B:So now you don't have to worry if you just tell the same story four, five times.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And from that point it.
Speaker B:You still have everybody in there, but you don't have to fill it with the detention center kids or, you know, the freaking beginning of this movie, which is the.
Speaker B:One of the worst starts ever.
Speaker B:Hermit Bob in the woods for 15 minutes or whatever it is.
Speaker B:And stretch that out.
Speaker B:You don't have to add time anywhere.
Speaker B:It's just tell the same.
Speaker B:Probably because it could be a really good short story.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:And you tell it from different points of view.
Speaker B:And then you can have this.
Speaker B:These almost competing story and plot points.
Speaker B:Because then having something like Tilda Swinton's UFO could make sense because you're not dragging out everybody else's storyline or more accurately, what they're doing, just offing every single one of their characters piecemeal by piecemeal.
Speaker A:Yeah, the point.
Speaker B:So you have this.
Speaker B:I think it would have been better that way.
Speaker A:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker B:Rather than whatever.
Speaker A:Well, and then I'm not trying to connect dots that don't connect.
Speaker A:Like you're connecting dots for me by saying, okay, we're going to tell the same story from different perspectives and different points of view, which I'm fine with.
Speaker A:I've seen there's movies like that that are like, okay, this is great, but this.
Speaker A:This movie, dude.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's just.
Speaker B:There's too much going on for a movie that doesn't take itself very seriously.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Off.
Speaker B:Way too much.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's rough.
Speaker B:I got nothing else.
Speaker A:Yeah, I feel like the fact that we Talked for like 30 minutes on this in general is pretty impressive.
Speaker A:All right, dude, let's rate it.
Speaker A:Get it out of the way.
Speaker B:My movie, I go, first movie.
Speaker B: You go first movie in: Speaker B:Gonna be a solid one.
Speaker B:Which I feel bad about because I feel like the last two years we started off real strong.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, this topic was like, bound to have some stinkers, but so, yeah.
Speaker B:It'S a solid one.
Speaker B:There's not really a time I would ever see it again.
Speaker B:I don't think I have.
Speaker B:And it's not one of those movies that's like, easily quotable or a reason to go watch scenes and moments, you know, on YouTube or anything like that.
Speaker B:It's just not very enjoyable or entertaining in any way, shape or form.
Speaker B:So I don't.
Speaker B:I won't watch it again unless there, you know, for some reason I forced to on pain of death or whatever.
Speaker B:But there's no reason to.
Speaker B:It's a solid one.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker A:Yeah, you're generous.
Speaker A:So this is funny because, like, this month is going to be odd because I think there's going to be movies down the road here that get better scores than they should because of the movies we watched earlier on.
Speaker A:And like, it becomes like, I can't.
Speaker A:I have a hard time rating these four movies that we're doing this month based on their merit alone.
Speaker A:Like, I had.
Speaker A:There has to be some comparative value added.
Speaker A:And I say all that to say I'm giving this movie a 0.5.
Speaker A:And that is because, like, I always compare everything to, like, she Dies Tomorrow.
Speaker A:And, like, would I watch she Dies Tomorrow over a right.
Speaker A:I would.
Speaker A:At least there's a through line of a story.
Speaker A:And I understand, like, wow, that is the weirdest.
Speaker A:One of the weirdest movies I've ever watched in my life.
Speaker A:Like, there was a point that they were trying to make and I could follow it from start to finish.
Speaker A:Like, and.
Speaker A:And it had a similar.
Speaker A:Like there were some stars that I'm like, what the are they doing in Here now, Not to this degree, but like, yeah, this movie, me, I will never watch this movie again.
Speaker A:Unless you had have to strap me to a chair and tape my eyeballs open like this movie was.
Speaker A:I'm glad that I avoided it up until this point off for making me watch this.
Speaker A:No, it's not the worst of the bunch that you're gonna make me watch this month, but it's.
Speaker A:Man, it was bad and I. Yeah, I know now why I avoided it, and I'm glad that I did it.
Speaker A:It's terrible.
Speaker A:It just makes no sense.
Speaker A:It's a waste of time.
Speaker A:I don't even.
Speaker A:I. I don't even want to look at how much money they spent to make this movie because I'm like, you could have given that to the poor.
Speaker A:And it would have been better spent, like, which I think would have been better spent than most movies being made.
Speaker A:But in general, like, if we're gonna have to choose between having some entertainment and this, let's take care of some homeless people because this movie sucked.
Speaker B:Dude, just give it to them to make a movie would have been better.
Speaker A:It would have been better.
Speaker A:For real.
Speaker A:For real.
Speaker A:Like, God.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And this is how, you know, like, most of the time.
Speaker A:Yeah, there it is.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Dude, it actually made.
Speaker B:It made money.
Speaker A:Well, it doesn't even tell me the budget.
Speaker A:Usually they'll tell you a budget.
Speaker A:I'm sure I could google it and find out.
Speaker A:It's not worth my time and effort, but, like, it grossed $6 million in the US and Canada and 15 million worldwide.
Speaker B:How great we're gonna get a sequel.
Speaker A:In about four years that this.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker A:Yeah, terrible.
Speaker A:Don't go watch this movie.
Speaker A:It's 0.5.
Speaker A:Or at best, like Alex at a 1.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's dumb.
Speaker A:Don't get in my comments either.
Speaker A:Like, oh, you got some great comments lately about people trashed in our opinions, and I love that.
Speaker A:Trash away.
Speaker A:But yourself, if you get in our comments and say, this shit's good because you can eat a dick, this movie sucke.
Speaker B:I don't think I've seen JJ this frustrated or annoyed with the movie before.
Speaker A:Wait till the next one we're recording.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:Not in person anyway.
Speaker B:I've heard it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:In my, you know, time as a listener.
Speaker B:But yeah, it's probably the worst movie.
Speaker A:We'Ve watched since you've joined the.
Speaker A:This one got me all.
Speaker A:I was watching this.
Speaker A:Seriously, Like, I. I probably cursed you a dozen times.
Speaker A:Oh, good.
Speaker A:In an hour and 40.
Speaker A:Alec, what the.
Speaker A:And Then I curse our patrons a couple times too, because I'm like, why the would you vote for this?
Speaker A:And then I laugh to go, this is exactly why they voted for this.
Speaker A:So, yeah, anyway, there it is.
Speaker A:The dead don't die.
Speaker A: What a way to kick off: Speaker A:But yeah, if you want to know more about us and where you can find us and Alex can tell you right now.
Speaker B:All right, New year, new shirt.
Speaker B:Wore the same shirt for every single recording.
Speaker B:2025, change it up.
Speaker B: Week one of: Speaker B:You can see it's amazing on YouTube, which is the best place to see us as we converse with each other, laughing, giggling, you know, cursing each other's names.
Speaker B:But like JJ said, this was week one of how on earth did this get made?
Speaker B:Which means we have weeks two, three and four coming up, which are going to be incredible.
Speaker B:Like JJ also said, what's our verdict?
Speaker B:Podcast on Patreon is the best place to get involved with the content creation.
Speaker B:So JJ mentioned this a little bit earlier.
Speaker B:At the beginning, we have kind of changed and added some real stakes to our previous bragging rights only of getting your movie picked.
Speaker B:Those stakes are very simple.
Speaker B:If you lose a month, your list of shit gets put up for people to purchase if they want or to put into watchability for extra bonus content and episodes.
Speaker B:I went and had some fun fun with JJ's list.
Speaker B:I know he had some fun with my list.
Speaker B:So these now there's real stakes added back and forth.
Speaker B:And January, I got a genuine sweep on JJ.
Speaker B:Beat him 3 to 1.
Speaker B:And he is gonna be hating life on weeks 2 and 3.
Speaker B:Let me tell you that, man.
Speaker B:So Patreon's best place to get involved with that.
Speaker B:Set us topics, interact with us, leave us comments.
Speaker B:We love all that.
Speaker B:We still have a paywall up for extra content, but it's lowered now and we're getting close, I think to about 650 extra bonus episodes.
Speaker B:Context, behind the scenes outtakes, just us talking back and forth.
Speaker B:Wonderful time.
Speaker B:Hope to see you there.
Speaker B:But with that, I will kick it back to The Maharaja of Mash, the Wazir of WAP A. JJ is there.
Speaker A: It's a great way to kick off: Speaker A:There it is.
Speaker A:What a shit show of an episode.
Speaker A:Love it.
Speaker A:It was fun.
Speaker A:We appreciate you tuning in.
Speaker A:We'll catch you on the next one.
Speaker B:Asala Vista, baby.
Speaker A:Cinematic.
