Dazed and Confused (1993)
Alec and JJ dive into the multifaceted nature of the film "Dazed and Confused," a quintessential representation of the 1970s high school experience. We examine the film's narrative, which encapsulates the essence of adolescence while simultaneously highlighting the complexities of social dynamics among youth. The discussion addresses the themes of camaraderie and the intricate balance of bullying, which, as we contend, can sometimes serve as a rite of passage rather than mere cruelty. The hosts share their personal reflections on how the film resonates with their own formative years, contrasting experiences and noting the evolution of societal perceptions surrounding youth interactions. Ultimately, we celebrate the film's quotability, memorable characters, and its enduring status as a beloved classic that continues to evoke laughter and nostalgia.
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Like 70's a wild time.
Speaker B:The mom with the shotgun is the greatest thing.
Speaker B:Oh, and then the old dude's shooting.
Speaker B:Like he's shooting at these kids.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:For a mailbox.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's great.
Speaker B:Welcome to the what's Everyday podcast.
Speaker B:We fashion ourselves cinematic judge and Jerry.
Speaker B:My name is J.J.
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Speaker B:I'm here with my co host, Alec Burgess.
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Speaker B:We're starting a new month.
Speaker B:That's crazy.
Speaker B:It's June.
Speaker B:It's June.
Speaker A:Time is flying this year, JJ.
Speaker B: Dude,: Speaker B:It's nuts.
Speaker B:Dude, it's June.
Speaker B:But with June, come summer.
Speaker B:And with summer comes great movies.
Speaker B:Whether it's your blockbusters or whatever or the classics that we're gonna talk about.
Speaker B:Some of them, I don't know how they ended up in a summer film selection, but that's okay.
Speaker B:We'll talk about them anyway.
Speaker B:And if you haven't noticed, Matson isn't here.
Speaker B:I'd feel sorry for him, but the son of a is in Spain, so.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So having the greatest summer experience ever.
Speaker B:Yeah, he can go gfy.
Speaker B:And we will do this podcast without him and the next one too.
Speaker B:So while he's in Spain, I hope he's having a good time.
Speaker B:But with that, we're jumping into summer kickoff movies.
Speaker B:And to kick it off, we're going straight to the.
Speaker B:We're just going straight for it.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:It was written by Richard Linklater.
Speaker B:It was directed by Richard Linklater.
Speaker B:It stars Jason London, Wiley Wiggins, Matthew McConaughey, Rory Cochran, Joey, Lauren Adams, Mila Jovovich, Sean Andrews, Adam Goldberg, Anthony Rap, Sasha Jensen.
Speaker B:I could go on and go on, but I will have to say Cole Hauser because he's pretty funny.
Speaker B:But yeah, there's a lot of people in this movie.
Speaker B: the last day of School in May: Speaker B:That's as good a synopsis as you can get for this particular movie.
Speaker B:Alec, this was your choice, dude.
Speaker B:I want to hear all about why we're watching and talk about Dazed and Confused.
Speaker A:This was my pick and it was always going to be on the list.
Speaker A:Summer movie, Dazed and Confused.
Speaker A:You're never gonna find a better one in my opinion.
Speaker A:The interesting thing though is, right, so it's well known fact, I have a huge man Crush on Matthew McConaughey.
Speaker A:So like Matthew Conahay first movie though, also just amazing.
Speaker A:But the problem that I have with the movie is you can tell where he doesn't belong, but that they liked him enough to put him back in there.
Speaker A:And so it, it's a little bit jarring here and there, but Wooderson is one of the greatest film characters ever created, like hands down.
Speaker A:And if you're talking summer movie, he fits the bill for exactly what you want.
Speaker A:Small town kind of vibe.
Speaker A:Just, it's amazing.
Speaker A:And so every time I watch this, this movie creates almost that not necessarily nostalgia, right.
Speaker A:Because I didn't live in the 70s, I was born the same year this movie came out.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But it's, it's like taking back that simpler almost kind of experience when you're younger in that coming of age stuff.
Speaker A:And so that kind of, I guess experience doesn't necessarily change so much.
Speaker A:The surroundings change, but the experience that you go through in this coming of age, pretty similar in the same vein of things.
Speaker A:And so sitting down to watch this, it's like taking it back to some good times, right.
Speaker A:And so I thoroughly enjoy just throwing this on.
Speaker A:It's quotable, it's enjoyable.
Speaker A:You have just an all star stellar cast from like their beginnings in Hollywood almost or near enough to it that it's just an enjoyable watch all around.
Speaker A:So I, I sit down and watch this as frequently as I can.
Speaker B:Yeah, I was glad you picked it.
Speaker B:If you hadn't.
Speaker B:This is another one that I had a feeling because you had talked about it as we were gearing up for this topic.
Speaker B:But I was like, if he doesn't, I will.
Speaker B:Because this is a movie, man.
Speaker B:I remember being 12 years old, living in Kentucky, little tiny town.
Speaker B:I've told you guys it with one movie theater that had like four screens or some.
Speaker B: ke the hell do I give a about: Speaker B:Like that's my parents stuff, you know what I mean?
Speaker B:And it was so.
Speaker B:But anyway, like so but then you have the older kids who were going when high school and we were in junior high and you would hear about Dazed and Confused and you know, it's funny and it's get.
Speaker B:They all do all sorts of crazy in it.
Speaker B:And I was like, we, so we, we Went and bought.
Speaker B:I don't even remember what we bought tickets for, but it was some PG movie.
Speaker B:And then we snuck in today confused.
Speaker B:And I remember being 12 years old, just laughing my ever loving ass off at this movie and thinking, other than getting my ass whooped by a bunch of seniors when I'm a freshman, I really want to go to high school.
Speaker B:You know, it was like.
Speaker B:And it was.
Speaker B:And I'll tell you, as a 90s kid who got to see this movie, like, as you were growing, like, you always wanted to be that kid that took his licks and then became part of the crew and got to make out with his sister's body, like best friend.
Speaker B:And like, so it's just like we thought about that shit as kids.
Speaker B:Like, we would reference this movie constantly when I was a kid and talk about, man, you got to be like, so and so.
Speaker B:And I got.
Speaker B:And that joke.
Speaker B:I mean, it's so inappropriate nowadays, people, they lose their minds.
Speaker B:But like, the whole.
Speaker B:The, these high school girls, they stay the same.
Speaker B:I get older, but they stay the same age.
Speaker B:Like that line, like, we did that.
Speaker B:Like, seriously, there's so many quotable things and this movie just holds up, like.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:So it's been a very long time since I'd watched this movie, actually, which is surprising because this is one of my favorites.
Speaker B:But when I was sitting there watching it yesterday, going, oh my God, why do I not watch this, like, all the time?
Speaker B:Because it's just.
Speaker B:It's just great, man.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:And I a lot sometimes on this podcast about movies that have no point.
Speaker B:This is the greatest movie that has no point.
Speaker B:Like, seriously, like, there is no point to this movie.
Speaker B:But that's what makes it great.
Speaker B:Because that age, there's not really a point.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Like, anyway, it's just so interesting.
Speaker B:But yeah, I was so glad that you put this on the list and it got voted for because I was like, this is.
Speaker B:This is what I'm talking about right here.
Speaker A:So something else that kind of hit me on this watch through, I'll say is the kind of this concept of almost positive bullying.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:Or the rite of passage bullying, where it's.
Speaker A:It's almost like bullying's lost that.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:And the betrayal and stuff.
Speaker A:And it's all right to bully somebody as long as you, you know, don't leave them hanging.
Speaker A:And it's just out of maliciousness.
Speaker A:But you have this almost, you know, we.
Speaker A:We get the experience for Mitch, right?
Speaker A:And it's like, hey, yeah, he's.
Speaker A:He gets up.
Speaker A:But that opens all these doors to a summer night and a summer experience that he's never gonna forget.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And it's a cool one where he's now part of the game.
Speaker A:He's invited in.
Speaker A:It's coming into, you know, high school and.
Speaker A:Which is a very, you know, awkward time for anybody.
Speaker A:And you don't.
Speaker A:You're still figuring yourself out.
Speaker A:And it's almost like taking all that awkwardness in the 70s and just kind of like getting all over with it once, pushing it through.
Speaker A:And now he's, you know, kind of past that stage.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So it's now no longer really trying to figure yourself out.
Speaker A:It's kind of the.
Speaker A:The same mentality of, you need to learn how to swim.
Speaker A:You just toss someone into the water, and then they'll figure it out.
Speaker A:But it's kind of taking the shortcut.
Speaker A:And, you know, someone who probably would be, based on look and attitude and everything, he would be a total loser in high school.
Speaker A:And we wants to hang out with him, but instead, because, you know, this kind of process happens, he now is, you know, part of the crew.
Speaker A:And it's like, hey, that's like positive bullying.
Speaker A:Like, I'm all about that because I'm a huge bully, but I'm an asshole about it.
Speaker A:And so I was like, this.
Speaker A:This actually could be used in a way to still bully somebody, but make some good come out of it.
Speaker A:Bring back bullying.
Speaker A:That's what I say, dude.
Speaker B:I'm telling you.
Speaker B:So I.
Speaker B:It's funny that you say that, and I know it's like you made part of it as a joke and.
Speaker B:But the other part is very serious.
Speaker B:But I'm telling you, I think that.
Speaker B:And listen, let me differentiate.
Speaker B:There's shitty bullying.
Speaker B:Like, there's actual.
Speaker B:Like, someone's an.
Speaker B:Had a tough life, whatever it is, and they have to be a human being to make themselves feel better by actually bullying.
Speaker B:And that should not.
Speaker B:That's not okay.
Speaker B:That needs to be fixed.
Speaker B:We need to actually put more attention on the bullies as well as those being bullied.
Speaker B:Right now, we just look at bullies and go, you, man, you're a bully.
Speaker B:But instead, there's a reason that they're bullying, and we need to get down to that.
Speaker B:We lose track of that.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It's either you're.
Speaker B:You're the victim or we're canceling you.
Speaker B:It's one or the other.
Speaker B:There's no in between and that.
Speaker B:And here's the crazy part.
Speaker B:So as a Kid, like, And I know you're like, you said you.
Speaker B:I was 12 when I was.
Speaker B:And you were being born.
Speaker A:I was born.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:So it's like I even.
Speaker B:But even so, like, the difference, I'm sure when you were in high school was still probably different than my experience because I'll tell you right now, like, we didn't get paddled or anything like that from like, they didn't chase us down on the last day of school going, you're now a freshman in high school.
Speaker B:We're give you some whoops.
Speaker B:Now.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:I wouldn't have put it past people where I grew up and went to high school, but no, like, but we had, like, we got bullied.
Speaker B:And not.
Speaker B:But to your point, not in a vindictive or shitty way, it was a welcome to the party, pal.
Speaker B:You got to pay your dues kind of, right?
Speaker B:And it could come in different forms.
Speaker B:Like, I got.
Speaker B:There was.
Speaker B:So I went to high school in Kentucky.
Speaker B:And right by our school, there was this really ugly, nasty creek that ran and it was pretty deep.
Speaker B:Like it was.
Speaker B:There was runoff, there was concrete.
Speaker B:Like it was a city built thing.
Speaker B:And then it went into an actual creek.
Speaker B:But I can't tell you how many kids like got thrown into that thing.
Speaker B:And it was gross.
Speaker B:And I was one of them.
Speaker B:So I got thrown into it.
Speaker B:But you know what?
Speaker B:I got thrown into it.
Speaker B:I probably.
Speaker B:It was gross.
Speaker B:I swam out, I went into the school showers, I took a shower, I gotta change clothes.
Speaker B:And I wore some stupid ass, like, lost and found clothes for the rest of the day, right?
Speaker B:And I was pissed.
Speaker B:And when I got home, my mom was pissed because that water's dirty and gross and who knows, like, I might have caught hepatitis just by getting.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:But like, that was.
Speaker B:But at the same time, one of the kids that threw me in there became one of my best friends.
Speaker B:Like, I still talk to them today, right?
Speaker B:So it's like nowadays we look down and that's why I was laughing, like, I watched this movie and I go, people would lose their minds if this happened today.
Speaker B:Like, people be going to jail for spanking these kids.
Speaker B:And I go, you know what?
Speaker B:They're not dead.
Speaker B:They're not broken.
Speaker B:They don't need to go to a doctor, they don't need to go to the hospital, be pissed off, find a way to get back and dump some paint on o' Bannon's head, right?
Speaker B:But, like, don't.
Speaker B:Why do we always have to go to this.
Speaker B:And, God, I'm getting so philosophical about Dazed and Confused, but it just points out to me, like, why do we have to go to the super victim level, where it's like, it's not okay for idiot kids?
Speaker B:Because, let's be real, Kids are stupid, kids are annoying, kids are aggressive.
Speaker B:They gotta figure out.
Speaker B:And one of those things is figuring out, who can you get along with?
Speaker B:Who can you, you know, who can take it, who can't?
Speaker B:Who.
Speaker B:Who do you need to grab a hold of?
Speaker B:Like, you got pink.
Speaker B:That's taken in Mitch, right?
Speaker B:Like, he's like, look, man, that sucks.
Speaker B:We did it to you.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:He gives him the little tap, right, that keeps him cool with the seniors.
Speaker B:But then he helps this freshman kid, like, have the night of his life, right?
Speaker B:You know, because he's like, come with us.
Speaker B:He's like, is that okay?
Speaker B:Yeah, man, you're good.
Speaker B:You took your deal with it.
Speaker B:It's gonna suck.
Speaker B:But now you figure it out.
Speaker B:And look, he's probably got friends for life of these people that everybody else was running scared from and think they're.
Speaker B:When it came down to it, like, they took care of him, right?
Speaker B:And I get.
Speaker B:Not everybody's like that.
Speaker B:There are real shitty bullies, like I mentioned earlier, but this isn't it.
Speaker B:But these people would get in trouble.
Speaker B:You get kicked out of school, you know, because they're doing that stuff.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:I just think there's pieces of our humanity that are missing because we don't allow.
Speaker B:And I don't want to call it bullying because I don't believe they're the same thing.
Speaker B:But the bullying, I mean, you know, the fret, like you said, the positive bullying, or the bullying that creates friendships and make.
Speaker B:And is done with good intention, not to actually harm or to hurt anybody, but to actually say, look, man, welcome to high school.
Speaker B:This sucks.
Speaker B:But the rest of it's going to be great.
Speaker A:And you'll get your turn later.
Speaker B:Yeah, when you're a senior, you get to dish that out.
Speaker A:It's like that.
Speaker A:It's like that continuing.
Speaker A:Not really mentorship, but it's that continuing the tradition, passing it down, whatever type of a thing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So to your point, I think where we lost it was from the side of the bullying, right?
Speaker A:Where it's turned even more and more or become more about, you know, straight victimizing or, you know, getting your licks in from a power move or something like that.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:It's lost what they show here, which is that, yeah, I'm Gonna throw you in the creek.
Speaker A:Like, what you experienced.
Speaker A:I'm gonna throw you in the creek.
Speaker A:But because of that, that's also how I know that I can get along with you, that I like you type of a thing based on your reaction to it.
Speaker A:And so, yeah, you have that kind of.
Speaker A:You're losing that and losing that almost sense of community in a weird way, because it doesn't seem like it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But it's that interaction, community.
Speaker A:And, you know, I mean, my job and people that I hang out with, like, I don't have a lot of friends, but the ones I do, oh, we are terrible to each other.
Speaker A:It is like, we can't have HR at my company because all of us would get fired in about 10 minutes.
Speaker A:And so it's.
Speaker A:It's that kind of, you know, the way we rib on each other, the way we interact, the way we talk.
Speaker A:And people have actually come, like, from the outside in and turned around and gone right back out in a couple weeks because they.
Speaker A:They just don't understand or they can't fit into it because it's.
Speaker A:It's everybody.
Speaker A:It's like, we'll even take digs at ourselves sometimes more frequently than each other.
Speaker A:But it's that idea of, you know, you're gonna come in, it's gonna be a mixer and a blender, but at the same time, if you're, if you're having a rough time, like, and I know that when I put you through shit, like, you come out or you give it back, like, I'm more likely to help you out and be on your team and your side.
Speaker A:When I can clearly see that, oh, hey, you're struggling with this versus, you know, someone I don't know, I don't know how to interact with, then it's just almost walking on eggshells to try and figure it out.
Speaker A:It's this little dance of, you know, I don't really know how to interact in this place.
Speaker A:And so I hate making new friends.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't.
Speaker A:I don't have any because I, I.
Speaker A:I just can't interact with them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because the way that I interact is in this very, you know, demeaning kind of feeding back and forth, like, sarcastic.
Speaker A:I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna wait until you're at your lowest, and I'm gonna kick you down even further.
Speaker A:But at the same time, there's, you know, that kind of once.
Speaker A:Once it's kind of established the boundaries or whatever from there, then it's like, all right, I Know where to go.
Speaker A:I know how to do this.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's a.
Speaker A:It's a closer bond, in my opinion, than someone who you just interact with on a surface level.
Speaker B:That makes sense.
Speaker B:No, absolutely.
Speaker B:It makes perfect sense.
Speaker B:Like I said, one of my best friends still to this day was a bully to me, and we're nasty to it.
Speaker B:I mean, you got, you know, like, me, you, and Matson.
Speaker B:And, like, a lot of times, the podcast doesn't see it all the time, like, in the episodes we release, but.
Speaker B:But God damn.
Speaker B:And here's our.
Speaker B:Here's my shameless plug.
Speaker B:Go check out Patreon.
Speaker B:We all over each other.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, on the daily.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it wouldn't be fun if we didn't.
Speaker B:Like, that's what we do.
Speaker B:And that's how I know I want to keep doing this with you guys, because it's fun, and we get after each other, and it's hilarious, and.
Speaker B:Yeah, I would be.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And that's always been.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think I talked to my nieces, and.
Speaker B:And, you know, my one niece is graduating next year, and my other niece is a freshman this year.
Speaker B:And it's like, I listen to him, and they talk about how everybody's just so soft with each other, and I'm just like, man, you guys don't even know.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:I hate saying that, because I hated it back when I was in school, and people from the 70s, like, you guys have no idea.
Speaker B:And I'm like, yeah, that's very true.
Speaker B:Now, you know, I understand where they're coming from, because I do.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I talk to my nieces and nephews all the time, and they're like, oh, this, that, or the other.
Speaker B:And someone was doing.
Speaker B:And I'm like, who cares?
Speaker B:I'm like, just roll with it.
Speaker B:It's like you get more respect.
Speaker B:I mean, unless they're trying to actually hurt somebody.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's different.
Speaker B:But if they're just, like, giving you a good ribbon, or they just, you know, poking you, or they just, you know, that's a.
Speaker B:Take a paddle to your ass enough to give you a bruise.
Speaker B:Who gives a.
Speaker B:I don't have to go to the hospital.
Speaker B:I'm not hurt.
Speaker B:I'm gonna go get past it, and then we'll laugh about it.
Speaker B:And then someday I'll tattoo some freshman's ass with a powder.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Like, it's just.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Like you said, it's this pattern.
Speaker B:It's a cycle.
Speaker B:And I think there's some health to it that we've gotten rid of because we're so afraid of those outliers.
Speaker B:And I truly believe they're outliers that take it to a place where it's pure victim.
Speaker B:Like, oh, you know, this little joke was meant to hurt me.
Speaker B:And everybody just gets so offended by everything.
Speaker B:Like, Jesus, man, if these kids hung out with me and my friends when we were their age, dude, they'd be in freaking insane asylums.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker B:We tortured each other, and we loved each other for.
Speaker B:I mean, I still.
Speaker B:I go back to Kentucky, and I see friends like Lamar and Caleb, and we just walk right into.
Speaker B:What's up, you fat?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You're looking especially ugly today.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Like, it's just, like.
Speaker A:It's the same.
Speaker A:You just fall back into it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because those lines of art and then have already been drawn in the sand, so to speak.
Speaker A:But the other kind of cool thing about this movie.
Speaker A:Like, this movie has layers to it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Is we get that other side of it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:With Adam Goldberg's character and that kind of side crew who doesn't participate.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And they're doing, like, the philosophical thinking or the deep, you know, kind of side quest, we'll say, to where they're not into this sphere.
Speaker A:They're.
Speaker A:They're adjacent to it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And so you.
Speaker A:You had this, as well, where, as, you know, they're.
Speaker A:They're still showcasing this kind of other side, which is the side that's gonna be all about the, you know, the proper way to do things or this is the way.
Speaker A:You know, this.
Speaker A:I think at one point, he mentions, like, the alpha monkey.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And when he goes in for the fight at the end.
Speaker A:But you can see that it's.
Speaker A:It stops.
Speaker A:It skips over that ribbing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And it's because you have.
Speaker A:Adam Goldberg's character just isn't in the loop.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And so he kind of.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:He takes it a step further.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And goes straight to the punching or the, you know, start the fist fight type of a thing, which, if you had that back and forth, never happens.
Speaker B:Yeah, Right.
Speaker A:If you have that ribbing, like, I've never wanted to punch somebody that I have that kind of relationship with.
Speaker A:It's never come down to that.
Speaker A:But there's a lot of people.
Speaker A:I'm looking like, you should be punched in the face right now.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:It's when that.
Speaker A:That relationship isn't there and you don't have that connection.
Speaker A:And so it I was kind of like watching through this, like, oh, shoot.
Speaker A:They showed the.
Speaker A:The other side of this as well, which is where you don't have that mesh, you don't have that kind of community going back and forth with the mutual respect kind of in there.
Speaker A:And now you see where you have that confrontation, you have that friction, and what does it play out to?
Speaker A:Like it.
Speaker A:It ends okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, but that's because you have outside help stepping in.
Speaker A:And if you don't have that outside help or that, you know, kind of third party, I'll say, then.
Speaker A:Then that's where you have your issues kind of coming down.
Speaker A:Because now there's, you know, someone that there's a communication barrier, for lack of a better term.
Speaker A:So I kind of enjoyed that too.
Speaker A:And I was sitting there watching, probably had the same experience you did where I was like, this movie, now that I'm watching as part of podcast now, I'm looking at it like a movie instead of just like sitting down and watching it.
Speaker A:And I was like, ah, it's still enjoyable.
Speaker A:But I was like, ah, no, it's ruined.
Speaker B:Dude.
Speaker B:I'll tell you, the podcast has ruined many a movie for me.
Speaker B:In fact, we'll talk about one next time.
Speaker B:But, yeah, so.
Speaker B:But I'm with you.
Speaker B:I think there is more depth to this movie than I ever gave it credit for.
Speaker B:And I think for me, Pink is one of those examples too, where he's just kind of this guy that's floating in the middle.
Speaker B:Everybody gets along with him, but he's got this hard decision to make, right?
Speaker B:Like, he wants to play ball, but the coaches put him in this shitty position where you got to sign this honor form horseshit.
Speaker B:And I love watching that progression where he's, like, trying to decide, like, do I want.
Speaker B:Is it okay for me to conform in this situation and do I need to do that to maintain who I am and what I love to do?
Speaker B:Or do I really need to lean into this part that we see in the movie where it's this carefree, want to have fun, and it's like the older people, and I love that conversation near the end when they're on the 50 and they're talking about the form and it's.
Speaker B:You're like the fourth person that gave me this form today.
Speaker B:And then, like, you have that moment of the two sides pulling at him, right?
Speaker B:Like, I need.
Speaker B:I can sign this thing and, you know, whatever, do what I need to do and play ball and what.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:But then I don't get to be me at that point, right.
Speaker B:Like, I'm.
Speaker B:What am I sacrificing just for this?
Speaker B:And so I love that moment when he confronts the coach and he's like, I might play ball, but I'm not signing this.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And throws it back.
Speaker B:And I think that's really, for me, one of the coolest progression is to watch him go, I want to do this, but there has to be some bucking of this system because for them to make me sign this, that signs away the things that I need to be experiencing right now to become who I'm going to be after school.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Because school's such a tiny piece of life.
Speaker B:And when you get past it, like, you have to decide who am I going to be.
Speaker B:And so in that moment, he decides, I'm going to do more than just conform and play football and be willing to, you know, make sacrifices in order, for one thing.
Speaker B:I mean, it depends on what it is.
Speaker B:But I just love, like, that's one of my favorite progressions, rewatching as an adult and looking at it from like a point of view of where does this movie go?
Speaker B:There is a lot of depth there with a lot of characters.
Speaker B:Like, even the lack of depth for some characters is depth in the movie.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like Ben Affleck's character, like, that's the kind of guy that, like, you look at and you go, man, his identity is so wrapped up in being this and being a dick and having, like, he'll never have, most likely he'll never have real power or real influence in his life.
Speaker B:So he has to assert this level of dominance.
Speaker B:And then the whole joke about him failing so he can do it again.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like that.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's wild to me, like how a character that's barely in it and only is a one, you know, this one dimensional character, but when you look at it, it, and you put it in the whole scope of the movie, there's a lot more to it than just him being this.
Speaker B:So I like that.
Speaker A:I was just gonna follow up and say, like, especially with the pink stuff, like, what's nice about it is this movie doesn't.
Speaker A:Doesn't do anything that wouldn't make sense.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So he.
Speaker A:He's clearly that kind of got his own set code of honor.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like everybody else on the team signs this paper fully knowing that they will break it, but they sign it because here it comes down the line.
Speaker A:He's kind of looking at.
Speaker A:He's like, well, I'm not gonna do this.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm not gonna follow this.
Speaker A:I'm not just gonna sign it and say I will when I know I won't.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It's kind of that sense code, honor.
Speaker A:And it makes sense based on, you know, we see him with Mitch, he gives the light tap, offers drive him home.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Brings him in it.
Speaker A:Follow.
Speaker A:Like he follows his own moral compass, his own code of honor.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:In its own way.
Speaker A:And he's not just, you know, signing the paper to sign it and fully just knowing that he's gonna break it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I would do that.
Speaker A:I'd be like, oh, yeah, sure, yeah, immediately break it.
Speaker A:And so it's kind of a cool added depth to it that, you know, solidifies, hey, this guy's more than just your typical meathead quarterback that you, you.
Speaker A:You would see typically in this movie.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:He's got this sense of code that he follows and morals, understanding, and he sticks to it no matter the situation that he's in, whether he's hanging out with, you know, his buddies or a freshman or he's hanging out with Wooderson.
Speaker A:He's the same person.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so they don't throw any kind of these twist little things in there that would make Pink or any of the other characters not really fit just to tell the story.
Speaker A:Yeah, they tell the story with the characters in mind and having them stick to almost this, you know, this story in this writing all makes sense.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's a very well written movie with a lot of great dialogue, good conversations.
Speaker B:I will say that in the 70s, it must have been nice to be able to drive like a NASCAR driver through the streets of a town and not get hammered for that, because Even in the 90s, we were.
Speaker B:I wasn't getting away with that.
Speaker B:Like, we did do some stupid in the car.
Speaker B:There was like a hill in Kentucky that we used to jump when I first got my license.
Speaker B:And now it's fun.
Speaker B:We almost died a couple times, but.
Speaker B:But, like, I can't.
Speaker B:That first opening chase scene.
Speaker A:Just go for broke, man.
Speaker B:Yeah, dude.
Speaker B:And the amount of guns that get pulled on kids.
Speaker A:It'S like 70's a wild time.
Speaker B:The mom with the shotgun is the greatest thing.
Speaker B:Oh, and then the old dude's shooting like, he's shooting at these kids.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:For a mailbox.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's great.
Speaker B:It's great.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay, so I will say.
Speaker A:I will say the part I don't like is my favorite part.
Speaker A:And the fact that we get too much Wooderson in places he doesn't belong because they liked Matthew McConaughey did such a great job.
Speaker A:And that pulls me out a little bit because it's the only part of this movie that doesn't exactly fit.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:Like at the 50 yard line, you know, he's not supposed to be there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But he's there because Waterson is amazing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so it's.
Speaker A:It's just kind of like.
Speaker A:Because I love him.
Speaker A:I love more screen time, but he's not supposed to be there.
Speaker A:And it can it.
Speaker A:With such a great written story, you can see the mistakes that are made by adding them in.
Speaker A:Whereas this.
Speaker A:This more loosey goosey kind of plot and, you know, up and down all around, it gets hidden into it.
Speaker A:But these are so blatantly like, he.
Speaker A:He was not meant for this scene that it's.
Speaker A:It just nails on a chalkboard almost.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:For me, where I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:There are some moments too, in the dialogue that I'm like, okay.
Speaker B:Like, I'm trying to like, there's the.
Speaker B:The part where Pink is talking to Joy Lauren Adams character after he's made out with this other girl, like, the one dude's sister.
Speaker B:And, like, he's having this conversation.
Speaker B:Like, that conversation, like, grates on my nerves so bad because I'm just like, this doesn't add any value to me, especially with that character.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, he.
Speaker B:I don't care.
Speaker B:Like, I like him and the dude's sister together.
Speaker B:Like, that was like, oh, that's a good pick.
Speaker B:And then all of a sudden, she's like, making a big deal.
Speaker B:Like, I'm.
Speaker B:Okay, first of all, don't make out with this dude if you're gonna be all weird about it.
Speaker B:Then, like, he goes to Joey Lauren Adams and they're talking and I'm like, you obviously don't like this.
Speaker B:You're having this conversation that's partially serious.
Speaker B:And, like, I just don't buy it.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker B:Maybe it's because of Joey Lauren Adams, the dry.
Speaker B:Like, never been a big fan of her in most cases, but it also just.
Speaker B:To me, that dialogue didn't add to the value of the movie, which is interesting because I know some of that had to be added because they're like, we need it to be longer than, like, an hour and 20 minutes because it's a relatively short movie.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so, like, Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, unless you're looking to edit a bunch of stuff out, it's.
Speaker B:Yeah, you're gonna be in trouble at some point.
Speaker B:But I do think that there were some weird conversations That I was like, what?
Speaker B:But other than that, like so funny.
Speaker B:It's just so, so, so funny.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, it's.
Speaker A:It's a.
Speaker A:It's a great watch.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I crack up just uproariously every single time I watch it because it's just full of great quotability, good one liners and I mean even.
Speaker A:What's it.
Speaker A:Is it Ryan Cochran?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Dude.
Speaker A:Just classic stoner.
Speaker B:So good.
Speaker A:You can't.
Speaker A:It slurs his words.
Speaker A:You have to almost watch his lips move to figure out what he's saying.
Speaker B:His eyes are.
Speaker B:Is red, like just around.
Speaker B:It's just great.
Speaker A:It's such a great performance.
Speaker B:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:Just fits the bill so well.
Speaker A:And he's.
Speaker A:He's clearly having a good time and having fun while he's doing it.
Speaker B:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:And so it's little things like that where you can tell the cast is also having just a blast making this movie.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This movie does make me want to go get some trees.
Speaker B:Every time I'm like, gotta hit the trees.
Speaker B:It's time for some tree love.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's just great.
Speaker B:Like I Love the Part 2.
Speaker B:At the very beginning when they're having.
Speaker B:We're talking about the party and the dad, they're getting ready.
Speaker B:The dad, mom and dad early.
Speaker B:He comes up and they're like, dude, dude.
Speaker B:Because he's just holding the freaking bag of trees in his lap and it's like.
Speaker B:And then he's like, oh.
Speaker B:And tucks it under his shirt.
Speaker B:Like he's just sitting there staring at it for a minute.
Speaker B:Like they're like, dude, like that'd be that guy, like just staring at it going, that's what I want.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:I don't want to hide it.
Speaker B:I want to roll it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I love that they all had papers in their glove box and they all like just like man prepared.
Speaker B:I wish I had lived in the 70s.
Speaker B:Sometimes, like the things that were like normal.
Speaker B:It was very hard to get that kind of paraphernalia when I was in high school and I lived in a place where I was started in high school in a place where that stuff has grown on the regular out in Kentucky.
Speaker B:Like I can't tell you how many times FBI shuts down marijuana farm out in middle of nowhere Kentucky.
Speaker B:So weird.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was.
Speaker B:It wasn't easy to get a hold of that stuff.
Speaker B:But movie makes me want to have some every single time.
Speaker B:Oh, to be in high school again.
Speaker B:That's the other thing this movie makes you think of.
Speaker B:Like if I Could go back to high school and know what I know now.
Speaker B:And I didn't have a bad.
Speaker B:Like, I've had.
Speaker B:I have friends who will talk about high school.
Speaker B:And even I think Matson's mentioned, like, he hated high school.
Speaker B:And I'm like, I actually didn't have a problem with high school.
Speaker B:Like, I.
Speaker B:I had a good time in high school.
Speaker B:I didn't have a.
Speaker B:I didn't have a lot of enemies.
Speaker B:I didn't have a lot of people didn't.
Speaker B:Like, I had a few.
Speaker B:I got a lot of fights when I first moved to Kentucky because, like, kind of like how it goes, this movie.
Speaker B:They had to test you.
Speaker B:Like, what kind of person were you making order.
Speaker B:Yeah, you're gonna run over and cry to the teacher because we found you and wanted to fight you in the hallway.
Speaker B:Are you gonna take your beating and move on, or are you gonna give out a beating and make us go, well, maybe we shouldn't do that again?
Speaker A:They grow different up there in Ohio.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:But I did, I'll tell you, when I first moved to Kentucky.
Speaker B:We, as in seventh grade, sixth grade, seventh grade.
Speaker B:I guess 12.
Speaker B:I was 11 when we first moved there.
Speaker B:You're getting so many fights at first, and then again, at least half of those fights became really great friends later on because it's just how it was.
Speaker B:It's not.
Speaker B:We weren't in this to, like, beat the.
Speaker B:Out of each other.
Speaker B:We were in it to see, can you hang, man?
Speaker B:Can you take it?
Speaker B:Like, are you willing to stand up for yourself?
Speaker B:Are you willing to do what you got to do?
Speaker B:And sometimes I was.
Speaker B:And sometimes I was like, oh, this is gonna suck.
Speaker B:I took a few beatings.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, like, for me, anyway, high school.
Speaker A:I went to high school.
Speaker A:South California.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So it's already going to be way different than.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But then on top of that, you know, we went to high school, you know, 12 years apart or something like that.
Speaker A:And so then you have the times added in.
Speaker A:And so I had a very mild high school experience.
Speaker A:But I was just thinking about this the other day, like, I haven't changed much.
Speaker A:So I'm one of those people that is, like, for whatever reason, people tend to like me and they shouldn't.
Speaker A:Yeah, I am a terrible person.
Speaker A:I am the worst asshole you will ever meet in your life.
Speaker A:But for whatever reason, people seem to like me.
Speaker A:And so I was that kid that everybody kind of knew.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And I, like, I knew everybody or everybody know me, but I wasn't close to anybody.
Speaker A:I Didn't really do much outside of high school, like, going to parties or stuff like that, because I had my circle of friends, and we go chill or whatever it was.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:So it's like, if I would go back and do it different, I'd probably be more involved with other things, just go out and have fun.
Speaker A:But it's like, I don't feel like I missed anything because I was just.
Speaker A:I just haven't changed.
Speaker A:I'm the same.
Speaker A:Same.
Speaker A:Just, you know, and there's no reason to almost.
Speaker A:It's gonna sound terrible this way, but it's like, there's almost no reason to change because for whatever reason, whatever I'm doing, people seem to like, so.
Speaker B:Oh, the Internet doesn't like you.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker A:Both worlds.
Speaker A:The Internet doesn't like me.
Speaker A:I did freeze.
Speaker A:So I was saying, like, I almost have the best of both worlds in the sense that I could be this absolute dick.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But people seem to be okay with it when I do it.
Speaker A:And so it's like, do I.
Speaker A:Do I really want to give that up for potentially a different experience?
Speaker A:No, not really.
Speaker B:That's fair.
Speaker B:That's fair.
Speaker B:No, I'm with you.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I will say that I would, like.
Speaker B:I'd be interested to go back, knowing what I know now, just to see what I.
Speaker B:I would go back.
Speaker B:And again, this goes back to the point of I'm kind of a dick, too.
Speaker B:I would go back for nefarious purposes.
Speaker B:Like, I would not go back because I had a bad experience and I wanted it to be better or anything like that.
Speaker B:I would go back because I was like, I think now.
Speaker B:And I go, man, if I knew what I know now, if I was as smart as I am and have the life experience.
Speaker B:We went back to high school, the.
Speaker B:That I could get away with and get people to do and, like, manipulate.
Speaker B:Like, are you.
Speaker B:Me, high school kids, including myself when I was there, are stupid.
Speaker B:And the.
Speaker B:You could, like, just talk.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Like, I could.
Speaker B:I'd be a king.
Speaker B:And the thing.
Speaker B:Funny thing was, is, like, I'm like, you.
Speaker B:Casey gives me all the time because she goes, dude, everybody loves you.
Speaker B:And I don't understand it, and I hate it.
Speaker B:And I'm like, I don't understand it either, but I love it.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:Because I'm with you.
Speaker B:Like, if you get to know me, I'm kind of a dumbass dick.
Speaker B:And so I'm like.
Speaker B:And Casey all the time said, I don't get it.
Speaker B:She goes, people just love you.
Speaker B:You Walk into a room and say hi to anybody.
Speaker B:You can be a dick.
Speaker B:You can be an asshole.
Speaker B:And people just go, yeah, that JJ guy, he's really nice.
Speaker B:Like, we were.
Speaker B:It's a good egg.
Speaker B:I'm just like, I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't do anything.
Speaker B:I'm not trying.
Speaker B:And maybe that's the issue.
Speaker B:Maybe that's.
Speaker B:We just.
Speaker B:I don't try.
Speaker B:I know you don't try.
Speaker B:It's not like I'm going out and going, I need to make friends.
Speaker B:It's like, no, I'm just gonna go wherever.
Speaker B:And people just like me.
Speaker B:So I know what you're saying.
Speaker A:At least for me, they shouldn't.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:The guarantee, it's the worst decision you've ever made.
Speaker A:I'll tell people that.
Speaker A:Like, they'll be like, you're pretty cool.
Speaker A:I'm like, yeah, worst decision you've ever made.
Speaker A:And it almost is like the.
Speaker A:The draw.
Speaker A:Like, that's what they want.
Speaker A:They're like, oh, no, now I like you more because you said that.
Speaker A:It's like.
Speaker A:Like, I'm not saying that to make you like me more.
Speaker A:I'm saying this as a favor.
Speaker A:You should run as far away as you can.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, I'm with you.
Speaker B:I'm with you.
Speaker B:I usually tell people, there will come a day when you will have a.
Speaker B:You'll look at me and your jaw will drop because I will do or say something that you're like, what?
Speaker B:And then you won't.
Speaker B:For you can't forget about it because.
Speaker B:And then it'll start to make you think about it and go, jj's an.
Speaker B:But I fooled you somewhere along the line, so.
Speaker A:And then you'll be so upset at yourself because now you'll start to see it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And nobody will believe you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Eventually you'll think like Casey and go, why do people like him so much?
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:Anyway, should we rate this thing?
Speaker A:Let's do it.
Speaker B:All right, Alex, your movie get to rate.
Speaker A:I'm gonna give it four and a half.
Speaker A:And the reason I'm knocking it is for what I kind of said earlier.
Speaker A:Love, Matthew McConaughey.
Speaker A:Love everything he's in.
Speaker A:First movie he's in, and he's in it too much.
Speaker A:Never.
Speaker A:Never gonna hear me say that again.
Speaker A:But it's be.
Speaker A:The only reason that I notice is because of how well this movie is written, how well this movie's done, that you can tell when they said, hey, this.
Speaker A:This Matthew McConaughey guy is gonna be somebody special.
Speaker A:We need to put him into more stuff.
Speaker A:He's gonna help improve the movie.
Speaker A:And the experience is great.
Speaker A:But I've seen this movie enough times to be like, he doesn't belong there.
Speaker A:He doesn't belong there.
Speaker A:This scene was obviously added because, you know, all right, all right, all right.
Speaker A:Or, you know, be a lot cooler if he did.
Speaker A:And so though, those places contribute to building the Wooderson legend, right?
Speaker A:And then from there they're like, oh, we should throw them in here.
Speaker A:Oh, we throw him in here.
Speaker A:And he doesn't fit.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so that's why I'm knocking down to four and a half.
Speaker A:But still, I will sit down and watch Dazed and Confused anytime anywhere.
Speaker A:I love this movie.
Speaker A:I will always watch it.
Speaker A:So, yeah, four and a half for me.
Speaker A:We'll be watching it again.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm gonna be right there with you.
Speaker B:Four and a half for me too.
Speaker B:I think along the same lines, I just broaden it to, like, there are filler moments in this movie that don't actually add any value to it to a very valuable movie.
Speaker B:Like the, the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:When I think about value, like, I think about from like a risk reward type perspective.
Speaker B:And for this one, it's like the value there is.
Speaker B:How much is.
Speaker B:Is there for me to learn and have fun and you know what I mean, get from this movie versus where's the stuff they're doing?
Speaker B:Because they can.
Speaker B:And they're, you know, it's high school kids and so they can do dumb.
Speaker B:So I think there's some things in there that I'm like, that's a little stretch.
Speaker B:Like, and for me, even as weird as it is, like, it bothers me that the dude actually shot the gun at these kids.
Speaker B:Like, happens if you hit one for a mailbox.
Speaker B:Are you me right now?
Speaker B:Like, what's going on?
Speaker B:So there's just little things that bothered me.
Speaker A:It's the 70s.
Speaker A:You're gonna put a band aid on and go back to school.
Speaker B:That's fair.
Speaker B:That's fair.
Speaker B:They'll put a band aid on it and walk uphill both ways to get to school.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker B:Yeah, but I Look, this movie's hilarious.
Speaker B:It's great story, great writing.
Speaker B:It's funny.
Speaker B:It just.
Speaker B:I just really enjoy it.
Speaker B:And I'm with you.
Speaker B:I'll watch it anytime and laugh and have a good time.
Speaker B:It's just as good every time I watch it.
Speaker B:So four and a half for me.
Speaker B:I will again watch this movie anytime.
Speaker B:So I will certainly be watching again.
Speaker B:But I liked it.
Speaker B:It's a good Choice, my friend.
Speaker B:And a good way to kick off the summer kickoff movies.
Speaker B:But before we jump into the next one, why don't you tell everybody where they can find us.
Speaker A:Happy to.
Speaker A:So like JJ said, this is June 1st week we are doing summer kickoff movies.
Speaker A:So the, the whole month gonna be some great summer choices, some that maybe JJ and I kind of agree that Matt's picked it up there but.
Speaker A:But it's gonna be a great time.
Speaker A:Summer kickoff movies gonna have a blast.
Speaker A:This is week one days fused.
Speaker A:So special thanks to our patrons Rich and Charles.
Speaker A:I don't know what Charles name is for making the selection of topic and movies that go in that.
Speaker A:Guys, if you want to get involved in podcast selection for movies topics, things that we're going to put out episode content, Patreon is the place to do it.
Speaker A:Guys can get in on the voting.
Speaker A:Usually we open up a vote for topics, choose topic for a month and then from there we put a couple movies in and it's a major bragging rights if our movies get picked.
Speaker A:For example, poor JJ went like oh, for six months, fuck.
Speaker A:And then he just came up and swept all three of his movies in June.
Speaker A:So it's, it's a little side competition that we have.
Speaker A:So go in there, vote for your favorite one and you know you guys can have a hand in creating the content.
Speaker A:In addition to that, Patreon's got a ton of behind the scenes content, extra episodes, probably up to what, 500 episodes now on the back end of Patreon.
Speaker A:So plenty of content there for you guys if you need some more.
Speaker A:What's our verdict in your life?
Speaker A:With that?
Speaker A:I will kick it back to the king of Crash, the Maharajah of mash a J.J.
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Speaker B:Yeah, Charles, old C.B.
Speaker B:he posted some more on on.
Speaker B:Hey yo in there.
Speaker B:Finally.
Speaker B:You know, he's telling us some stuff so we can talk about that offline and make it fun episode stuff.
Speaker B:But yeah, come join us.
Speaker B:We love to hear from you, interact with you.
Speaker B:It's good times.
Speaker B:It's good to see Charles back in the in the mix and conversing with us again.
Speaker B:It's great.
Speaker B:Yeah, there it is.
Speaker B:Week one in June, Dazed and Confused.
Speaker B:As always, we appreciate you tuning in.
Speaker B:We'll catch you on the next one.
Speaker A:Hasta la vista, baby.
Speaker B:Cinematic.
